XenServer: Backup & Replication

scottalanmiller

@Danp said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@scottalanmiller said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

Build is totally the wrong term. There is no building. It's just an install.

You run an installation script, which in turn builds the app from source.

Tomato.... tomatoe.

It installs from source, does not build. Building implies compiling. You don't "build" MS Office when you install it, it just installs. Same with XO. There is no building, just installing.

scottalanmiller

The thing that allows for the quirk in the language (aka: "from source") is that it is an interpreted language, so you are installing "from source" but the source doesn't get compiled, just copied. The same as any installation.

So if you copy a text file from one spot to another....

cp file.txt file2.txt

You just "installed from source". But it's just a copy command.

Danp

@scottalanmiller I know were splitting hairs, but if that were completely accurate, then you could simply git clone the repository and then run the app without performing npm install or npm build.

FATeknollogee

So none of you are $upporting the XO "cause" by using the paid version?

scottalanmiller

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

So none of you are $upporting the XO "cause" by using the paid version?

We highly recommend the paid version. Support is a great thing, pre-built appliance is awesome... just don't think that it isn't free for those that want or need it. It's totally free and open source, too.

FATeknollogee

I understand that it's FOSS.

Question is, who here is using the paid version?

scottalanmiller

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

I understand that it's FOSS.

Question is, who here is using the paid version?

No XenServer in production here right now, so wouldn't be prudent.

FATeknollogee

@scottalanmiller said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

I understand that it's FOSS.

Question is, who here is using the paid version?

No XenServer in production here right now, so wouldn't be prudent.

How can anyone be a XS "proponent/advocate/promoter" but not use it in production?

DustinB3403

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@scottalanmiller said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

I understand that it's FOSS.

Question is, who here is using the paid version?

No XenServer in production here right now, so wouldn't be prudent.

How can anyone be a XS "proponent/advocate/promoter" but not use it in production?

I have XS in production, and use XO from Source (it's worked great, and @olivier is more willing than not to assist. Just don't expect a 24/7 window of support.

FATeknollogee

@DustinB3403 said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@scottalanmiller said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

I understand that it's FOSS.

Question is, who here is using the paid version?

No XenServer in production here right now, so wouldn't be prudent.

How can anyone be a XS "proponent/advocate/promoter" but not use it in production?

I have XS in production, and use XO from Source (it's worked great, and @olivier is more willing than not to assist. Just don't expect a 24/7 window of support.

@DustinB3403 Can you talk a little more about your prod XS: how many hosts, how many VMs, when was this setup etc?

DustinB3403

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@DustinB3403 said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@scottalanmiller said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

I understand that it's FOSS.

Question is, who here is using the paid version?

No XenServer in production here right now, so wouldn't be prudent.

How can anyone be a XS "proponent/advocate/promoter" but not use it in production?

I have XS in production, and use XO from Source (it's worked great, and @olivier is more willing than not to assist. Just don't expect a 24/7 window of support.

@DustinB3403 Can you talk a little more about your prod XS: how many hosts, how many VMs, when was this setup etc?

I have 4 host (2 standalone, and 2 in an HALizard Pool).

On the pool, I've only got 3 VM's atm (will be going up in a in the next week or so). The pool has been up for about 4 months, the Standalone servers have been running for close to a year using MD RAID.

On my "production" standalone host I have 10 or so VM's running at any given time. I use it to run VDI tools, XO, and IT appliances that don't reach my general user base.

The pool is running our file servers, exchange server (federated services exchange) and an application server that is running SW for a separate department.

FATeknollogee

@DustinB3403

What is the hardware for your 4x hosts? Dell, HP, SM?

DustinB3403

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@DustinB3403

What is the hardware for your 4x hosts? Dell, HP, SM?

My pool is comprised of two R730's from xByte, the standalone "production" system is a Whitebox, and my last system is just a desktop I repurposed and setup MD RAID 10 with.

FATeknollogee

@DustinB3403 I thought you guys have always preached HW Raid. Why your choice of MD RAID?

DustinB3403

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@DustinB3403 I thought you guys have always preached HW Raid. Why your choice of MD RAID?

That is an entire other thread on it's own. To summarize (business management).

MD Raid is very capable and reliable (you just need to know how to manage it) Hardware RAID is the "make life simple" choice.

BRRABill

@DustinB3403 said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@DustinB3403 said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@scottalanmiller said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

I understand that it's FOSS.

Question is, who here is using the paid version?

No XenServer in production here right now, so wouldn't be prudent.

How can anyone be a XS "proponent/advocate/promoter" but not use it in production?

I have XS in production, and use XO from Source (it's worked great, and @olivier is more willing than not to assist. Just don't expect a 24/7 window of support.

@DustinB3403 Can you talk a little more about your prod XS: how many hosts, how many VMs, when was this setup etc?

I have 4 host (2 standalone, and 2 in an HALizard Pool).

On the pool, I've only got 3 VM's atm (will be going up in a in the next week or so). The pool has been up for about 4 months, the Standalone servers have been running for close to a year using MD RAID.

On my "production" standalone host I have 10 or so VM's running at any given time. I use it to run VDI tools, XO, and IT appliances that don't reach my general user base.

The pool is running our file servers, exchange server (federated services exchange) and an application server that is running SW for a separate department.

Are you still booting off USB?

scottalanmiller

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@DustinB3403 I thought you guys have always preached HW Raid. Why your choice of MD RAID?

We do, but it is not always an option.

DustinB3403

@BRRABill Yes.

FATeknollogee

@DustinB3403 What actions have you taken with regards to logs been written to USB?

DustinB3403

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer: Backup & Replication:

@DustinB3403 What actions have you taken with regards to logs been written to USB?

That is still up in the air, I've been working to get a good, searchable solution in place and haven't been able to complete anything. Up until now logging has gone directly to the USB without issue.