What Are You Doing Right Now
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@siringo said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Having an interesting conversation with our company president on lan-less design concept for future "networks" within the offices (or lack there of as we are discussing)
that's an interesting idea, but you'd a network of some description otherwise you'd never be able to access resources. interested to hear more.
You don't, actually. There's no need for there to be a "network" of any description, the idea of local LAN based resources is very much an artefact of history. Tons of companies are just natively LAN-less and there's nothing to even consider. It's only being LAN-based and having existing infrastructure to remove that tends to make it feel like there are needed services from it. Start without one, and you'll struggle to figure out what role they are even assumed to play.
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@siringo said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Having an interesting conversation with our company president on lan-less design concept for future "networks" within the offices (or lack there of as we are discussing)
that's an interesting idea, but you'd a network of some description otherwise you'd never be able to access resources. interested to hear more.
you need a connection to the internet sure... but that's really all.
So imagine someone like Dropbox not caring about the local network- it's just basically a GIANT Starbucks open network. They just provide a connection to the internet, likely driven by DHCP.
You secure data by requiring connection level security to the resources themselves.
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Working on a band recording project price estimate.
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@scottalanmiller Exactly. President and I are discussing removing existing infrastructure because we have all these physical offices that now are essentially unoccupied. What do we need at each office network wide if nobody's there much? He likes the cost savings going lan less would bring
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@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
On that note, if I'm not going to be issued a laptop by my new company, I think I'm going to ask for a Windows license for running a VM, if I'm unable to do what needs to be done on my Fedora laptop.
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@DustinB3403 that is part of what he is analyzing. We used to compensate employees for home Internet circuits if they were classified as remote teleworkers but that was years ago.
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Our biggest Vendor is having a huge Outage today! yay...
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@jt1001001 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller Exactly. President and I are discussing removing existing infrastructure because we have all these physical offices that now are essentially unoccupied. What do we need at each office network wide if nobody's there much? He likes the cost savings going lan less would bring
I don't understand this?
If people return to the office - they will still need a network to connect to. So what exactly are you removing?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
Nope, part of that compensation if you need a push back is - you aren't spending gas money driving to work anymore - and if you're not on video calls, you don't need a professional wardrobe... not a huge savings, but likely noticeable in most households.
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@EddieJennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
On that note, if I'm not going to be issued a laptop by my new company, I think I'm going to ask for a Windows license for running a VM, if I'm unable to do what needs to be done on my Fedora laptop.
Now this is where I agree with Scott's and NTG's way of doing everything - they supply all the hardware (laptop/desktop/monitor, phone) I don't know if they stipend the ISP or not?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
Nope, part of that compensation if you need a push back is - you aren't spending gas money driving to work anymore - and if you're not on video calls, you don't need a professional wardrobe... not a huge savings, but likely noticeable in most households.
My counter to that would be, if you no longer have an office space you're saving a ton on rent/mortgage and are putting that burden on the employee to have a "work space at home for business benefit".
Thus I should be compensated.
At least that's the argument to be had.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Our biggest Vendor is having a huge Outage today! yay...
1 hour and 35 minutes later, We are back up and running. Finally, I can actually do some real work now .
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
I get $25 a paycheck, which is every 2 weeks for home internet and work use of my hotspot when needed. It does completely cover the $30/month we spend on a backup internet connection that I do end up using around once a month.
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@jt1001001 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 that is part of what he is analyzing. We used to compensate employees for home Internet circuits if they were classified as remote teleworkers but that was years ago.
There is real reason to for the company to at minimum give a stipend toward it.
I've seen cases where the internet that an employee purchased on their own was inadequate for use by them as remote workers AND their family who is also stuck at home all day. This means the employee needs more bandwidth to get the job done in many cases - or a router so they can QoS things.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
Nope, part of that compensation if you need a push back is - you aren't spending gas money driving to work anymore - and if you're not on video calls, you don't need a professional wardrobe... not a huge savings, but likely noticeable in most households.
My counter to that would be, if you no longer have an office space you're saving a ton on rent/mortgage and are putting that burden on the employee to have a "work space at home for business benefit".
Thus I should be compensated.
At least that's the argument to be had.
And I don't disagree with this at all - and neither does the government - if you have a dedicated space to home office - you can write that off on your taxes...
So sure, I see both sides.The bigger issue I really see is - most homes don't have a good setup for home officing, and if they do, it's likely only for one person, not two or more.
think of a family of 4 with the two adults working from home. Assume the house is three bedroom and has a den (which 90% don't). One adult in the den, one likely in the living room/kitchen, and the kids in their bedrooms.
toss a third kid in there, now what?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
Nope, part of that compensation if you need a push back is - you aren't spending gas money driving to work anymore - and if you're not on video calls, you don't need a professional wardrobe... not a huge savings, but likely noticeable in most households.
My counter to that would be, if you no longer have an office space you're saving a ton on rent/mortgage and are putting that burden on the employee to have a "work space at home for business benefit".
Thus I should be compensated.
At least that's the argument to be had.
And I don't disagree with this at all - and neither does the government - if you have a dedicated space to home office - you can write that off on your taxes...
So sure, I see both sides.The bigger issue I really see is - most homes don't have a good setup for home officing, and if they do, it's likely only for one person, not two or more.
think of a family of 4 with the two adults working from home. Assume the house is three bedroom and has a den (which 90% don't). One adult in the den, one likely in the living room/kitchen, and the kids in their bedrooms.
toss a third kid in there, now what?
I have a very very similar situation setup here at home. My wife and I are working back to back in the basement (aka man cave) of our home (three bedroom split level). Both the girls are in their bedroom for virtual school. Thank goodness we have a 100mbps connection.
For the most part all has been going OK except for when we both need to be on the phone. If there was a third kid, we would have issues.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The bigger issue I really see is - most homes don't have a good setup for home officing
This is why I "built" a room in the garage. Because I am always WFH.
Would I prefer to have a real space? Fuck yes. But nothing in my price range, where we wanted to live, has that space.
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@pmoncho said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
Nope, part of that compensation if you need a push back is - you aren't spending gas money driving to work anymore - and if you're not on video calls, you don't need a professional wardrobe... not a huge savings, but likely noticeable in most households.
My counter to that would be, if you no longer have an office space you're saving a ton on rent/mortgage and are putting that burden on the employee to have a "work space at home for business benefit".
Thus I should be compensated.
At least that's the argument to be had.
And I don't disagree with this at all - and neither does the government - if you have a dedicated space to home office - you can write that off on your taxes...
So sure, I see both sides.The bigger issue I really see is - most homes don't have a good setup for home officing, and if they do, it's likely only for one person, not two or more.
think of a family of 4 with the two adults working from home. Assume the house is three bedroom and has a den (which 90% don't). One adult in the den, one likely in the living room/kitchen, and the kids in their bedrooms.
toss a third kid in there, now what?
I have a very very similar situation setup here at home. My wife and I are working back to back in the basement (aka man cave) of our home (three bedroom split level). Both the girls are in their bedroom for virtual school. Thank goodness we have a 100mbps connection.
For the most part all has been going OK except for when we both need to be on the phone. If there was a third kid, we would have issues.
yeah - it's the being on the phone which is an issue.
My wife is a teacher and teaching via Zoom. She started in our living room, and has moved to the kitchen (not really sure why).
Now I'm not working at home, so it's not much of an issue. But if I was, I'd be in the den (lucky us have one).
Our big issue is we have a cockatoo - and they love to talk/call when they hear other people talking... so that makes it challenging.
Some people here in my office who did work from home were complaining that their dog was causing them grief, wouldn't leave them alone while they were working.. and locking them in a room just caused them to bark...
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The bigger issue I really see is - most homes don't have a good setup for home officing
This is why I "built" a room in the garage. Because I am always WFH.
Would I prefer to have a real space? Fuck yes. But nothing in my price range, where we wanted to live, has that space.
Exactly.
I've know some people to give up their entire garage and turn it into an office space because of this.
an addition, if you even have space for it, would likely cost $25K or more, most people can't afford that.
