What Are You Doing Right Now
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@jt1001001 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller Exactly. President and I are discussing removing existing infrastructure because we have all these physical offices that now are essentially unoccupied. What do we need at each office network wide if nobody's there much? He likes the cost savings going lan less would bring
I don't understand this?
If people return to the office - they will still need a network to connect to. So what exactly are you removing?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
Nope, part of that compensation if you need a push back is - you aren't spending gas money driving to work anymore - and if you're not on video calls, you don't need a professional wardrobe... not a huge savings, but likely noticeable in most households.
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@EddieJennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
On that note, if I'm not going to be issued a laptop by my new company, I think I'm going to ask for a Windows license for running a VM, if I'm unable to do what needs to be done on my Fedora laptop.
Now this is where I agree with Scott's and NTG's way of doing everything - they supply all the hardware (laptop/desktop/monitor, phone) I don't know if they stipend the ISP or not?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
Nope, part of that compensation if you need a push back is - you aren't spending gas money driving to work anymore - and if you're not on video calls, you don't need a professional wardrobe... not a huge savings, but likely noticeable in most households.
My counter to that would be, if you no longer have an office space you're saving a ton on rent/mortgage and are putting that burden on the employee to have a "work space at home for business benefit".
Thus I should be compensated.
At least that's the argument to be had.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Our biggest Vendor is having a huge Outage today! yay...
1 hour and 35 minutes later, We are back up and running. Finally, I can actually do some real work now .
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
I get $25 a paycheck, which is every 2 weeks for home internet and work use of my hotspot when needed. It does completely cover the $30/month we spend on a backup internet connection that I do end up using around once a month.
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@jt1001001 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 that is part of what he is analyzing. We used to compensate employees for home Internet circuits if they were classified as remote teleworkers but that was years ago.
There is real reason to for the company to at minimum give a stipend toward it.
I've seen cases where the internet that an employee purchased on their own was inadequate for use by them as remote workers AND their family who is also stuck at home all day. This means the employee needs more bandwidth to get the job done in many cases - or a router so they can QoS things.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
Nope, part of that compensation if you need a push back is - you aren't spending gas money driving to work anymore - and if you're not on video calls, you don't need a professional wardrobe... not a huge savings, but likely noticeable in most households.
My counter to that would be, if you no longer have an office space you're saving a ton on rent/mortgage and are putting that burden on the employee to have a "work space at home for business benefit".
Thus I should be compensated.
At least that's the argument to be had.
And I don't disagree with this at all - and neither does the government - if you have a dedicated space to home office - you can write that off on your taxes...
So sure, I see both sides.The bigger issue I really see is - most homes don't have a good setup for home officing, and if they do, it's likely only for one person, not two or more.
think of a family of 4 with the two adults working from home. Assume the house is three bedroom and has a den (which 90% don't). One adult in the den, one likely in the living room/kitchen, and the kids in their bedrooms.
toss a third kid in there, now what?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
Nope, part of that compensation if you need a push back is - you aren't spending gas money driving to work anymore - and if you're not on video calls, you don't need a professional wardrobe... not a huge savings, but likely noticeable in most households.
My counter to that would be, if you no longer have an office space you're saving a ton on rent/mortgage and are putting that burden on the employee to have a "work space at home for business benefit".
Thus I should be compensated.
At least that's the argument to be had.
And I don't disagree with this at all - and neither does the government - if you have a dedicated space to home office - you can write that off on your taxes...
So sure, I see both sides.The bigger issue I really see is - most homes don't have a good setup for home officing, and if they do, it's likely only for one person, not two or more.
think of a family of 4 with the two adults working from home. Assume the house is three bedroom and has a den (which 90% don't). One adult in the den, one likely in the living room/kitchen, and the kids in their bedrooms.
toss a third kid in there, now what?
I have a very very similar situation setup here at home. My wife and I are working back to back in the basement (aka man cave) of our home (three bedroom split level). Both the girls are in their bedroom for virtual school. Thank goodness we have a 100mbps connection.
For the most part all has been going OK except for when we both need to be on the phone. If there was a third kid, we would have issues.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The bigger issue I really see is - most homes don't have a good setup for home officing
This is why I "built" a room in the garage. Because I am always WFH.
Would I prefer to have a real space? Fuck yes. But nothing in my price range, where we wanted to live, has that space.
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@pmoncho said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
Nope, part of that compensation if you need a push back is - you aren't spending gas money driving to work anymore - and if you're not on video calls, you don't need a professional wardrobe... not a huge savings, but likely noticeable in most households.
My counter to that would be, if you no longer have an office space you're saving a ton on rent/mortgage and are putting that burden on the employee to have a "work space at home for business benefit".
Thus I should be compensated.
At least that's the argument to be had.
And I don't disagree with this at all - and neither does the government - if you have a dedicated space to home office - you can write that off on your taxes...
So sure, I see both sides.The bigger issue I really see is - most homes don't have a good setup for home officing, and if they do, it's likely only for one person, not two or more.
think of a family of 4 with the two adults working from home. Assume the house is three bedroom and has a den (which 90% don't). One adult in the den, one likely in the living room/kitchen, and the kids in their bedrooms.
toss a third kid in there, now what?
I have a very very similar situation setup here at home. My wife and I are working back to back in the basement (aka man cave) of our home (three bedroom split level). Both the girls are in their bedroom for virtual school. Thank goodness we have a 100mbps connection.
For the most part all has been going OK except for when we both need to be on the phone. If there was a third kid, we would have issues.
yeah - it's the being on the phone which is an issue.
My wife is a teacher and teaching via Zoom. She started in our living room, and has moved to the kitchen (not really sure why).
Now I'm not working at home, so it's not much of an issue. But if I was, I'd be in the den (lucky us have one).
Our big issue is we have a cockatoo - and they love to talk/call when they hear other people talking... so that makes it challenging.
Some people here in my office who did work from home were complaining that their dog was causing them grief, wouldn't leave them alone while they were working.. and locking them in a room just caused them to bark...
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The bigger issue I really see is - most homes don't have a good setup for home officing
This is why I "built" a room in the garage. Because I am always WFH.
Would I prefer to have a real space? Fuck yes. But nothing in my price range, where we wanted to live, has that space.
Exactly.
I've know some people to give up their entire garage and turn it into an office space because of this.
an addition, if you even have space for it, would likely cost $25K or more, most people can't afford that.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@pmoncho said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jt1001001 so a question for everyone who is a proponent of lan-less (office-less) do you compensate employees for using their home as work space?
Nope, part of that compensation if you need a push back is - you aren't spending gas money driving to work anymore - and if you're not on video calls, you don't need a professional wardrobe... not a huge savings, but likely noticeable in most households.
My counter to that would be, if you no longer have an office space you're saving a ton on rent/mortgage and are putting that burden on the employee to have a "work space at home for business benefit".
Thus I should be compensated.
At least that's the argument to be had.
And I don't disagree with this at all - and neither does the government - if you have a dedicated space to home office - you can write that off on your taxes...
So sure, I see both sides.The bigger issue I really see is - most homes don't have a good setup for home officing, and if they do, it's likely only for one person, not two or more.
think of a family of 4 with the two adults working from home. Assume the house is three bedroom and has a den (which 90% don't). One adult in the den, one likely in the living room/kitchen, and the kids in their bedrooms.
toss a third kid in there, now what?
I have a very very similar situation setup here at home. My wife and I are working back to back in the basement (aka man cave) of our home (three bedroom split level). Both the girls are in their bedroom for virtual school. Thank goodness we have a 100mbps connection.
For the most part all has been going OK except for when we both need to be on the phone. If there was a third kid, we would have issues.
yeah - it's the being on the phone which is an issue.
My wife is a teacher and teaching via Zoom. She started in our living room, and has moved to the kitchen (not really sure why).
Now I'm not working at home, so it's not much of an issue. But if I was, I'd be in the den (lucky us have one).
Our big issue is we have a cockatoo - and they love to talk/call when they hear other people talking... so that makes it challenging.
Some people here in my office who did work from home were complaining that their dog was causing them grief, wouldn't leave them alone while they were working.. and locking them in a room just caused them to bark...
Oh boy. I feel for our teachers too. I have a buddy at bowling who is a 4th grade teacher with the same issues. His cats won't leave him alone and scratch and meow at the door until he opens the door. This it has to sit on his lap or desk while working. The classroom kids now a have a mascot. LOL
As for your wife, does the living room have an echo? That is the problem with my living room. Large front window and wood floors makes for loud echo and sound issues.
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i have shingles
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The bigger issue I really see is - most homes don't have a good setup for home officing
This is why I "built" a room in the garage. Because I am always WFH.
Would I prefer to have a real space? Fuck yes. But nothing in my price range, where we wanted to live, has that space.
Exactly.
I've know some people to give up their entire garage and turn it into an office space because of this.
an addition, if you even have space for it, would likely cost $25K or more, most people can't afford that.
I can't afford it either and it would be great if I could ditch the aluminum awning patio, which already has a cement floor, and build a year around sun room. That would be awesome but the quotes came in between $23K and $35K.
While that would be a great addition to my home, flood insurance would skyrocket because the room would add the the sq footage as it would be considered part of the permanent structure.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The bigger issue I really see is - most homes don't have a good setup for home officing
This is why I "built" a room in the garage. Because I am always WFH.
Would I prefer to have a real space? Fuck yes. But nothing in my price range, where we wanted to live, has that space.
Exactly.
I've know some people to give up their entire garage and turn it into an office space because of this.
an addition, if you even have space for it, would likely cost $25K or more, most people can't afford that.
That was why I said "built" in quotes.
- It is not legal, per local code, to partially convert a garage here.
- It is not a permanent room. I just built two walls and stuck it in the corner of the garage. A couple lag bolts int he floor and 3" screws into the rafters to hold it in place.
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@Dashrender Each office has Internet connection, data switch with multiple VLAN's (namely wired and wireless), meshvpn to the other offices+colo facility, AP, local server for DC/DNS/DHCP/PRINT, printers, and (ugh) fax. Trying to get to each office having only Internet+data switch/wifi to eliminate all that extra cost. Huge project but our president is finally seeing where we need to go.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The bigger issue I really see is - most homes don't have a good setup for home officing
This is why I "built" a room in the garage. Because I am always WFH.
Would I prefer to have a real space? Fuck yes. But nothing in my price range, where we wanted to live, has that space.
Exactly.
I've know some people to give up their entire garage and turn it into an office space because of this.
an addition, if you even have space for it, would likely cost $25K or more, most people can't afford that.
That was why I said "built" in quotes.
- It is not legal, per local code, to partially convert a garage here.
- It is not a permanent room. I just built two walls and stuck it in the corner of the garage. A couple lag bolts int he floor and 3" screws into the rafters to hold it in place.
LOL - I know..
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@JaredBusch Hmmm now I'm rethinking my garage
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