Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly
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@chrisnbrooks said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
In the SMB world, there are often no positions "above you" to move to besides owner/operator.
Even in many pretty large companies. In the Fortune 500, you are probably safe. But much below that and you start getting lots of companies where there is no smooth path forward.
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@chrisnbrooks said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
In which case I tend to push for more budgetary flexibility so my "growth" comes in the form of experimenting with new technologies and attending seminars.
This is a major reason why I believe that SMBs should almost universally move to outsourcing their IT. MSPs who are large, have internal training and maintain and internal ladder for growth bridge the gap between enterprise growth options and the SMB market.
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I tend to move around quite a bit. With each job I find I'm making more money with a better title, a new environment poses new challenges and learning opportunities. I tend to stay for a year or so then move on.
I don't find employers saying too often "it looks like you've had a lot of jobs...", but when I'm told that I simply say "I haven't found any particular employer to be one worth staying at, but maybe this is that fit I've been looking for."
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@BBigford I stay about 2-3 years and then move on but every time I leave it's for a pay raise. I'm at a point where I more or less make what I have wanted to make so now I just have to be disciplined, learn and do my absolute best. It's a weird feeling.
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@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@BBigford I stay about 2-3 years and then move on but every time I leave it's for a pay raise. I'm at a point where I more or less make what I have wanted to make so now I just have to be disciplined, learn and do my absolute best. It's a weird feeling.
The issue I find is boredom... most networks I've been in don't grow and explore new offerings. It's a "set and forget" attitude, as well as stifling creative thinking. As soon as I hit that ceiling, I generate a resume.
Not just talking about SMBs, also talking about networks that support thousands of users across an admin team of a dozen or more.
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@BBigford said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@BBigford I stay about 2-3 years and then move on but every time I leave it's for a pay raise. I'm at a point where I more or less make what I have wanted to make so now I just have to be disciplined, learn and do my absolute best. It's a weird feeling.
The issue I find is boredom... most networks I've been in don't grow and explore new offerings. It's a "set and forget" attitude, as well as stifling creative thinking. As soon as I hit that ceiling, I generate a resume.
Not just talking about SMBs, also talking about networks that support thousands of users across an admin team of a dozen or more.
I hear you. If I worked with people it would be a much different situation. I really miss being part of a team. I'm a social person.
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@travisdh1 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@Carnival-Boy said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
NTG's a very different environment. Unlike traditional companies, NTG hires for the long haul and has internal development and such. It even provides lab capacity
What applies most places really doesn't apply there.Oh. Is that a US mentality? Companies in the UK still generally hire for the long haul and have internal development, especially large companies (maybe not so much in SMB where career progression is limited). I'd say the majority of my friends that work in IT have worked at the same place for years (20+ years in many cases).
Almost all companies claim to do this, what they actually do is a little different.
Reminds me of the job postings for places like Taco Bell where they want "energetic individuals who are passionate about our company." And advertise that they offer "great growth potential and a dynamic workplace."
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@JaredBusch said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@Carnival-Boy said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
NTG's a very different environment. Unlike traditional companies, NTG hires for the long haul and has internal development and such. It even provides lab capacity
What applies most places really doesn't apply there.Oh. Is that a US mentality? Companies in the UK still generally hire for the long haul and have internal development, especially large companies (maybe not so much in SMB where career progression is limited). I'd say the majority of my friends that work in IT have worked at the same place for years (20+ years in many cases).
I cannot speak to everything, but the large company I worked at in the past had minor linear growth but mostly people were sitting there stagnating for 20+ years. I know people that started at the same time as me that are still there doing the same work.
I have a guess as to what company that was.
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@stacksofplates said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@travisdh1 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@Carnival-Boy said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
NTG's a very different environment. Unlike traditional companies, NTG hires for the long haul and has internal development and such. It even provides lab capacity
What applies most places really doesn't apply there.Oh. Is that a US mentality? Companies in the UK still generally hire for the long haul and have internal development, especially large companies (maybe not so much in SMB where career progression is limited). I'd say the majority of my friends that work in IT have worked at the same place for years (20+ years in many cases).
Almost all companies claim to do this, what they actually do is a little different.
Reminds me of the job postings for places like Taco Bell where they want "energetic individuals who are passionate about our company." And advertise that they offer "great growth potential and a dynamic workplace."
If you aren't passionate about a 7 layer burrito I don't think we can be friends
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@wirestyle22 or a triple double crunch wrap..
Great.. You guys made me hungry..
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@tiagom You calm down
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@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@stacksofplates said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@travisdh1 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@Carnival-Boy said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
NTG's a very different environment. Unlike traditional companies, NTG hires for the long haul and has internal development and such. It even provides lab capacity
What applies most places really doesn't apply there.Oh. Is that a US mentality? Companies in the UK still generally hire for the long haul and have internal development, especially large companies (maybe not so much in SMB where career progression is limited). I'd say the majority of my friends that work in IT have worked at the same place for years (20+ years in many cases).
Almost all companies claim to do this, what they actually do is a little different.
Reminds me of the job postings for places like Taco Bell where they want "energetic individuals who are passionate about our company." And advertise that they offer "great growth potential and a dynamic workplace."
If you aren't passionate about a 7 layer burrito I don't think we can be friends
Don't even get me started. All we have for psudo-wanna-be-greasy-nightmare-excuse-for-Mexican Food is a rip off of Taco Bell without any of the really greasy delicious things.
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@MattSpeller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@stacksofplates said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@travisdh1 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@Carnival-Boy said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
NTG's a very different environment. Unlike traditional companies, NTG hires for the long haul and has internal development and such. It even provides lab capacity
What applies most places really doesn't apply there.Oh. Is that a US mentality? Companies in the UK still generally hire for the long haul and have internal development, especially large companies (maybe not so much in SMB where career progression is limited). I'd say the majority of my friends that work in IT have worked at the same place for years (20+ years in many cases).
Almost all companies claim to do this, what they actually do is a little different.
Reminds me of the job postings for places like Taco Bell where they want "energetic individuals who are passionate about our company." And advertise that they offer "great growth potential and a dynamic workplace."
If you aren't passionate about a 7 layer burrito I don't think we can be friends
Don't even get me started. All we have for psudo-wanna-be-greasy-nightmare-excuse-for-Mexican Food is a rip off of Taco Bell without any of the really greasy delicious things.
At least your police force is on horseback though right?
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@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@MattSpeller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@stacksofplates said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@travisdh1 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@Carnival-Boy said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
NTG's a very different environment. Unlike traditional companies, NTG hires for the long haul and has internal development and such. It even provides lab capacity
What applies most places really doesn't apply there.Oh. Is that a US mentality? Companies in the UK still generally hire for the long haul and have internal development, especially large companies (maybe not so much in SMB where career progression is limited). I'd say the majority of my friends that work in IT have worked at the same place for years (20+ years in many cases).
Almost all companies claim to do this, what they actually do is a little different.
Reminds me of the job postings for places like Taco Bell where they want "energetic individuals who are passionate about our company." And advertise that they offer "great growth potential and a dynamic workplace."
If you aren't passionate about a 7 layer burrito I don't think we can be friends
Don't even get me started. All we have for psudo-wanna-be-greasy-nightmare-excuse-for-Mexican Food is a rip off of Taco Bell without any of the really greasy delicious things.
At least your police force is on horseback though right?
http://wulol.com/media/uploads/2013/10/TheMostCanadianPicEver-91028.jpg
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@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@MattSpeller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@stacksofplates said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@travisdh1 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@Carnival-Boy said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
NTG's a very different environment. Unlike traditional companies, NTG hires for the long haul and has internal development and such. It even provides lab capacity
What applies most places really doesn't apply there.Oh. Is that a US mentality? Companies in the UK still generally hire for the long haul and have internal development, especially large companies (maybe not so much in SMB where career progression is limited). I'd say the majority of my friends that work in IT have worked at the same place for years (20+ years in many cases).
Almost all companies claim to do this, what they actually do is a little different.
Reminds me of the job postings for places like Taco Bell where they want "energetic individuals who are passionate about our company." And advertise that they offer "great growth potential and a dynamic workplace."
If you aren't passionate about a 7 layer burrito I don't think we can be friends
Don't even get me started. All we have for psudo-wanna-be-greasy-nightmare-excuse-for-Mexican Food is a rip off of Taco Bell without any of the really greasy delicious things.
At least your police force is on horseback though right?
This is a better pic. Sorry.
http://media.darpanmagazine.com/news/content/tim-hortons1.jpg
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@MattSpeller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@MattSpeller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@stacksofplates said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@travisdh1 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@Carnival-Boy said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
NTG's a very different environment. Unlike traditional companies, NTG hires for the long haul and has internal development and such. It even provides lab capacity
What applies most places really doesn't apply there.Oh. Is that a US mentality? Companies in the UK still generally hire for the long haul and have internal development, especially large companies (maybe not so much in SMB where career progression is limited). I'd say the majority of my friends that work in IT have worked at the same place for years (20+ years in many cases).
Almost all companies claim to do this, what they actually do is a little different.
Reminds me of the job postings for places like Taco Bell where they want "energetic individuals who are passionate about our company." And advertise that they offer "great growth potential and a dynamic workplace."
If you aren't passionate about a 7 layer burrito I don't think we can be friends
Don't even get me started. All we have for psudo-wanna-be-greasy-nightmare-excuse-for-Mexican Food is a rip off of Taco Bell without any of the really greasy delicious things.
At least your police force is on horseback though right?
This is a better pic. Sorry.
http://media.darpanmagazine.com/news/content/tim-hortons1.jpg
The proud legacy of the mounties.
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@coliver said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@MattSpeller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@MattSpeller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@stacksofplates said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@travisdh1 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@Carnival-Boy said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
NTG's a very different environment. Unlike traditional companies, NTG hires for the long haul and has internal development and such. It even provides lab capacity
What applies most places really doesn't apply there.Oh. Is that a US mentality? Companies in the UK still generally hire for the long haul and have internal development, especially large companies (maybe not so much in SMB where career progression is limited). I'd say the majority of my friends that work in IT have worked at the same place for years (20+ years in many cases).
Almost all companies claim to do this, what they actually do is a little different.
Reminds me of the job postings for places like Taco Bell where they want "energetic individuals who are passionate about our company." And advertise that they offer "great growth potential and a dynamic workplace."
If you aren't passionate about a 7 layer burrito I don't think we can be friends
Don't even get me started. All we have for psudo-wanna-be-greasy-nightmare-excuse-for-Mexican Food is a rip off of Taco Bell without any of the really greasy delicious things.
At least your police force is on horseback though right?
This is a better pic. Sorry.
http://media.darpanmagazine.com/news/content/tim-hortons1.jpg
The proud legacy of the mounties.
They still ride horses. However they are also defacto police for most of Canada... so... cars are more practical.
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@MattSpeller http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime
Rape Rate and Violent Crime Murder Rates are specifically crazy
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@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@MattSpeller http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime
Rape Rate and Violent Crime Murder Rates are specifically crazy
80.25 crimes per 1000 people. That seems pretty high.
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@coliver said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@MattSpeller http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime
Rape Rate and Violent Crime Murder Rates are specifically crazy
80.25 crimes per 1000 people. That seems pretty high.
Wow
