Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly
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@gjacobse said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
I'm currently sitting at the 12-18 month block (closer to the 18 month) with NTG - and I'm not planning on any changes in the next 72 months....
NTG's a very different environment. Unlike traditional companies, NTG hires for the long haul and has internal development and such. It even provides lab capacity
What applies most places really doesn't apply there. -
I know of people who change jobs regularly (every 2 years or less), not always moving up. This can be good to get a variety of experience in many environments and a lot of exposure to various technologies.
I tend to stay a while at places. I hate looking for jobs and only do it when I start to not like the current one for what ever reasons (it has to be several reasons or one HUGE reason). I have been fortunate enough to find places that I have really liked/learn a heap at.
Also, there's not much out where I am, so it's either here or go out on my own and try to scratch out a living by starting my own business. -
I was always a mover. I did something like forty jobs in the first three years of my career. Most were contract, so meant to be short and it wasn't like I was quitting or that I was being let go. It was a contract and things ended when the contract was over. But it meant tons of experience in all kinds of areas very quickly. I also took a lot of evening and weekend work to gain experience more quickly.
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I don't like the idea of contracts. Far too much uncertainty about finding another contract to move to at the end of the current contract. Also, it involves looking for jobs/contracts... yuck
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@nadnerB said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
I don't like the idea of contracts. Far too much uncertainty about finding another contract to move to at the end of the current contract. Also, it involves looking for jobs/contracts... yuck
It's better than without contracts. With a contract, they can't just fire you anytime. So it's actually far easier to find the next job because of the huge reduction in uncertainty.
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@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
It's better than without contracts. With a contract, they can't just fire you anytime. So it's actually far easier to find the next job because of the huge reduction in uncertainty.
That's not something that happens here. None of this "fired because you were too happy in the break room" business.
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@nadnerB said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
It's better than without contracts. With a contract, they can't just fire you anytime. So it's actually far easier to find the next job because of the huge reduction in uncertainty.
That's not something that happens here. None of this "fired because you were too happy in the break room" business.
I was once fired, from a UNION job for... get this... "following the rules and encouraging others to follow them."
Yup. Same job that the union made it so that they could pay UNDER minimum wage.
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@IRJ said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
My career in a nutshell:
GeekSquad (6 months)
Helpdesk (3 years)
Desktop and Network Support (4 years)
System Admin (3 years)
Network Admin II (3.5 years)Mine:
Analyst Programmer (16 months)
Analyst Programmer (4 months)
Analyst Programmer (15 months)
Analyst Programmer (15 months)
IT Manager (16 months)
IT Manager (3 years)
IT Manager (13 years)It's probably time for me to move on, but when you find somewhere you like and you work with people you like, it's harder to leave.
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@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
NTG's a very different environment. Unlike traditional companies, NTG hires for the long haul and has internal development and such. It even provides lab capacity
What applies most places really doesn't apply there.Oh. Is that a US mentality? Companies in the UK still generally hire for the long haul and have internal development, especially large companies (maybe not so much in SMB where career progression is limited). I'd say the majority of my friends that work in IT have worked at the same place for years (20+ years in many cases).
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@Carnival-Boy said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
NTG's a very different environment. Unlike traditional companies, NTG hires for the long haul and has internal development and such. It even provides lab capacity
What applies most places really doesn't apply there.Oh. Is that a US mentality? Companies in the UK still generally hire for the long haul and have internal development, especially large companies (maybe not so much in SMB where career progression is limited). I'd say the majority of my friends that work in IT have worked at the same place for years (20+ years in many cases).
We have a lot of internal development here. A good amount of money set aside each year for classes and training. It's really nice. We also have a decent lab setup for testing.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
NTG's a very different environment. Unlike traditional companies, NTG hires for the long haul and has internal development and such. It even provides lab capacity
What applies most places really doesn't apply there.Oh. Is that a US mentality? Companies in the UK still generally hire for the long haul and have internal development, especially large companies (maybe not so much in SMB where career progression is limited). I'd say the majority of my friends that work in IT have worked at the same place for years (20+ years in many cases).
I cannot speak to everything, but the large company I worked at in the past had minor linear growth but mostly people were sitting there stagnating for 20+ years. I know people that started at the same time as me that are still there doing the same work.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
NTG's a very different environment. Unlike traditional companies, NTG hires for the long haul and has internal development and such. It even provides lab capacity
What applies most places really doesn't apply there.Oh. Is that a US mentality? Companies in the UK still generally hire for the long haul and have internal development, especially large companies (maybe not so much in SMB where career progression is limited). I'd say the majority of my friends that work in IT have worked at the same place for years (20+ years in many cases).
Almost all companies claim to do this, what they actually do is a little different.
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In the SMB world, there are often no positions "above you" to move to besides owner/operator.
In which case I tend to push for more budgetary flexibility so my "growth" comes in the form of experimenting with new technologies and attending seminars.In a larger corporate environment, unless you're hoping to move towards managing more personnel, your growth often consists of department swapping. Moving from Help Desk/Asset Management, to Software/Network Engineer, or Net Sec. I suppose it all depends on your end game, "staying on" is a great way to specialize, but specialization can lead to a dead end. (as S.A.M. pointed out)
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@chrisnbrooks said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
In the SMB world, there are often no positions "above you" to move to besides owner/operator.
Even in many pretty large companies. In the Fortune 500, you are probably safe. But much below that and you start getting lots of companies where there is no smooth path forward.
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@chrisnbrooks said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
In which case I tend to push for more budgetary flexibility so my "growth" comes in the form of experimenting with new technologies and attending seminars.
This is a major reason why I believe that SMBs should almost universally move to outsourcing their IT. MSPs who are large, have internal training and maintain and internal ladder for growth bridge the gap between enterprise growth options and the SMB market.
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I tend to move around quite a bit. With each job I find I'm making more money with a better title, a new environment poses new challenges and learning opportunities. I tend to stay for a year or so then move on.
I don't find employers saying too often "it looks like you've had a lot of jobs...", but when I'm told that I simply say "I haven't found any particular employer to be one worth staying at, but maybe this is that fit I've been looking for."
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@BBigford I stay about 2-3 years and then move on but every time I leave it's for a pay raise. I'm at a point where I more or less make what I have wanted to make so now I just have to be disciplined, learn and do my absolute best. It's a weird feeling.
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@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@BBigford I stay about 2-3 years and then move on but every time I leave it's for a pay raise. I'm at a point where I more or less make what I have wanted to make so now I just have to be disciplined, learn and do my absolute best. It's a weird feeling.
The issue I find is boredom... most networks I've been in don't grow and explore new offerings. It's a "set and forget" attitude, as well as stifling creative thinking. As soon as I hit that ceiling, I generate a resume.
Not just talking about SMBs, also talking about networks that support thousands of users across an admin team of a dozen or more.
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@BBigford said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@wirestyle22 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@BBigford I stay about 2-3 years and then move on but every time I leave it's for a pay raise. I'm at a point where I more or less make what I have wanted to make so now I just have to be disciplined, learn and do my absolute best. It's a weird feeling.
The issue I find is boredom... most networks I've been in don't grow and explore new offerings. It's a "set and forget" attitude, as well as stifling creative thinking. As soon as I hit that ceiling, I generate a resume.
Not just talking about SMBs, also talking about networks that support thousands of users across an admin team of a dozen or more.
I hear you. If I worked with people it would be a much different situation. I really miss being part of a team. I'm a social person.
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@travisdh1 said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@Carnival-Boy said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
@scottalanmiller said in Merits of Staying Long Term with a Job or Moving More Rapidly:
NTG's a very different environment. Unlike traditional companies, NTG hires for the long haul and has internal development and such. It even provides lab capacity
What applies most places really doesn't apply there.Oh. Is that a US mentality? Companies in the UK still generally hire for the long haul and have internal development, especially large companies (maybe not so much in SMB where career progression is limited). I'd say the majority of my friends that work in IT have worked at the same place for years (20+ years in many cases).
Almost all companies claim to do this, what they actually do is a little different.
Reminds me of the job postings for places like Taco Bell where they want "energetic individuals who are passionate about our company." And advertise that they offer "great growth potential and a dynamic workplace."
