Needs to know before L0 (Similar to A+, minus the old tech that you won't see anymore)
knowledge of administrating OSs
Interfaces and cables (At the computer)
Networking devices & mediums (WiFi, copper, fiber)
Administering a Soho wireless network
TCP/IP Suite w/ OSI Model
Needs to know before L1 (Similar to Net+, with additional prerequisites)
Touch on logic and programming
Touch on databases
Touch on Web technologies
An actual administrator (Sys Admin, Net Admin, etc.) would have more focused training depending on their field & specialty
Sounds like a good job for someone who is pretty new in IT.
For everyone else, it sounds like this "We want to pay you entry level pay for server projects and deployments"
I'm not sure I read exactly that. To me it reads, "If you take the job now, at next to nothing, "eventually" you will work up to making lots of money and specializing. "
The job actually is going to pay decent to start from what we briefly discussed on the phone, so that's not a bad thing. Also, from my brief conversation (I'll know more after tomorrow), it seems like the type of company that invests in their people.
I get bored after 1 or so years at any given place. Pretty much at that point where I am now, so am looking. Gets pretty boring once everything is in place, up to date, patches, and running smoothly etc...
Same here, one year at Dell was tough. All of the challenge was done after five months. And even five months was only because I did three different jobs during that window:
One week of proof of concept engineering
Four weeks of process engineering
Four months of Windows Administration
I went on for another year after that... but that's why the first five months were okay. And the first five weeks were at one site, the next year was three different locations per week, every week, no repeats. So I was traveling constantly and that kept things interesting for a little while.
I feel that knowledge gaps like this aren't as relevant as having the resources to bridge those gaps. I mean, we're supposed to be the best at Googling right? It's in our nature to find solutions. That's the only relevant skill I'm seeing.
I think that that is specifically where those gaps might come from. IT can't be done by Googling. Sure, trivial things like "what is a domain controller" can be, but what triggers you to know that you need to Google that? IT requires, IMHO, a load of "baseline" knowledge, far more than most fields, so that things like Googling answers can be applied on top of that.
Like I Google the syntax for a command, but not the concept behind the command or which command to run. If I had to pick Google or "good books", good books I'd say are twice as important or more for IT. Google helps me know which button to push, but books and more traditional, structured learning, taught me what buttons to acquire.
Baseline understanding of directory services, security infrastructure, SPoF planning, load balancing, network topology design, lan/wan routing, rights management - things that would make the cloud-baby generation's head spin.
Just throw it in my G Suite right? Its all secure breh...
I'd like to add that it is generally much easier to change positions when going to a new company. If you are valuable to the helpdesk or desktop support team, they may not want to let you go. Even if you do move from the helpdesk, you will always be looked at as the low man on the totem pole for your new team.
It is much easier to go apply for a desktop support job after having 1-2 years experience in helpdesk. Then after you have 1-2 years experience as desktop support, you can move to a networking or system position with a new company. If you move within the company the timeframe will be more like 3-5 years considering you have to L1-L3.
I agree completely with this.
I moved divisions to get away from the deskside support.
This just came up in an IT buyer's community and I think it is really important:
IT Practitioners get their knowledge from IT peers, industry training, logic, math and experience. Same as any other technical pursuit like civil engineering.
IT Buyers should get their knowledge for IT Practitioners
IT Buyers who believe themselves to be IT practitioners use whitepapers - a quasi-technical sales tool that looks like technical advice but is actually vendor sales advice. Whitepaper is an IT industry term for a marketing brochure with technical information used to guide customers to what the vendor wants done - which is not necessarily bad, but is not the same thing as industry advice. The vendor's agenda is not the same as the customer's agenda in all cases. IT works for customers, whitepapers represent vendors.
Similarly, Gartner could be considered the same as whitepapers, without the technical benefits.
For tech people I think college is a waste of time.
Depends on the kind of tech. There's stuff you should definitely learn in a classroom before you have any business being on a job site. I generally agree that fundamentally how higher education is taught could be improved greatly.
Doesn't mean college, though. Those are normally safety things. And classrooms teach very little. If it's risky, they should be certified. It's the testing that matters, not the classroom.
@scottalanmiller Although thats true, I think that internships should have a set person to mentor them (in some respects) and set aside a few hours a week or day, and work with interns and in the off time the interns would be better off reading, and doing "homework"
There are great alternative schools out there, SUNY Empire is my favourite. Great education, very non-traditional. But it isn't an end run around the college education, either. It's a real college, harder than a normal one, rather than easier. But still completely alternative so you have a lot of flexibility. I don't want to make all colleges sound bad, shop around and there are great options. I am just warning against a certain category of colleges that are very risky.
Start looking for a new job immediately. You are 5 months pregnant not 8.5 months. So I wouldn't say that employers wouldn't hire you. I am sure you will probably get discriminated against since you are pregnant, but I don't believe that is going to be the case with every employer. Some may actually feel for your situation (certainly women and probably some men).
And it is illegal for the potential employer to even record that information or pass it along.
@FiyaFly Using the US government statistics (the value of university is extremely nationality dependent, if you are in the UK the importance of university is dramatically higher, but so are their education standards and their high school standards) we did this study just a few months ago. College lost by more than we were expecting.
I've always loved computer, they're logical, whereas people almost never are. Actually started as an assistant to the sole IT person at the county Career Center. I ended up as said assistant because nobody else knew a thing about computers/networking and I was in a program that was supposed to give me some training in that. One of the best things that could've happened for me, as I got a little real-world IT experience while still in high school, and also other business basics like accounting and management principals (or, what people say they should be anyway.) So I can have conversations with accounting, finance, marketing, etc and have a clue.
Spent two years getting a worthless piece of paper. "Associates of Computer Repair and Network Technician" between 1997 and 1999. During that same time I was working for a large car parts manufacturing plant as an IT Co-op, where I was hired on after graduating and continued to work there till 2002.
You don't think learning programming in college is possible/worthwhile?
You shoudl be able to learn an entire college course in 2-3 days on your own for free, or for the cost of a book.
A whole 2-3 days? You must be feeling generous today. I tried taking a single course about 10 years ago which finally polished off whatever trust I had ever had in "the system".
Kinesthetic - doing what you are attempting to learn
I found it really helpful to know what type of learner I am. When I really need to absorb all of the information of something I'll record myself reading it aloud and play it back to myself, put it into a test environment if possible and also look at diagrams. I think mixing all of them together, provided it's organized, can be really useful even if you favor a specific type of learning.
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