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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
Actor Liam Neeson has denied he is racist, after admitting he once set out to kill an innocent black man.
Neeson has been facing a major racism storm since he made the comments in an interview, published by The Independent on Monday.
He said he walked the streets with a weapon around 40 years ago, hoping to take out his anger after someone close to him was raped by a black man.
To offset this, when 9-11 occurred, wouldn't you agree that most of the US was holding a bit of hatred for Muslims and wanting to attack any that they saw?
How does other people being racist offset someone else being racist?
This doesn't have to be racist, just a general attitude of being pissed off because a family member of his was raped by someone.
Being pissed off doesn't make you target a specific race to murder someone innocent. That's unrelated. That he was pissed is fine and natural. That he decided it was his race that was at fault, rather than the individual, is what makes it racist.
He could have randomly picked other inappropriate elements, too. What if the rapist was from Chicago so he went to Chicago to murder random people that lived there? What if the rapist was short so he went out to murder short people? What if the rapist was blonde and he went out to murder a random blonde?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
The same conversation could be had of 9-11 where many Americans wanted to beat the crap out of any Muslim person they saw, because they were angry. It's not lumping all Muslims as terrorist.
Correct. And that was 100% evil and racist in every conceivable way. So you made our point completely.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
Being pissed off doesn't make you target a specific race to murder someone innocent.
That is what the entire US went and did after 9-11!
And it certainly has continued.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
It's just a general hate at the time. To classify this as racist would be comparable to saying anyone who had an unusual thoughts of attacking Muslims must be racists as well.
Um DUH.
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"General hate" towards a race is RACISM by definition. That is exactly what it means.
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Um, how insanely obvious is it that that WAS racism of the worst sort?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
Being pissed off doesn't make you target a specific race to murder someone innocent.
That is what the entire US went and did after 9-11!
And it certainly has continued.
Right, and no one is denying that many Americans are terrible racists. In no way does that justify or offset someone else being racist.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
That he decided it was his race that was at fault, rather than the individual, is what makes it racist.
The same logic was and is used today to classify Terrorist.
Oh you're Muslim, you must be a terrorist!
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
That he decided it was his race that was at fault, rather than the individual, is what makes it racist.
The same logic was and is used today to classify Terrorist.
Oh you're Muslim, you must be a terrorist!
Absolutely, racism remains, especially in government. I just spent an hour dealing with it in Texas.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
That he decided it was his race that was at fault, rather than the individual, is what makes it racist.
The same logic was and is used today to classify Terrorist.
Oh you're Muslim, you must be a terrorist!
Absolutely, racism remains, especially in government. I just spent an hour dealing with it in Texas.
oh dang, i thought Texas IS a predominantly racist state though. Hence why I try to stay away.
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He had thoughts of attacking and beating any person of color he came across. He was pissed, much like America was after 9-11. He didn't go and beat a person of color to death.
Having irrational thoughts during a time of turmoil is natural and he learned that his thought process was flawed and he's worked to correct it.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
He had thoughts of attacking and beating any person of color he came across. He was pissed, much like America was after 9-11. He didn't go and beat a person of color to death.
Having irrational thoughts during a time of turmoil is natural and he learned that his thought process was flawed and he's worked to correct it.
All racism is irrational. More importantly, he admitted to acting on those thoughts. It is the actions that make it more than just thoughts.
Now, he didn't just try to assault anyone. He was hoping to be attacked first, which is a good way to do it. Not like he was looking for a totally innocent person. But he made 4 or 5 attempts to retaliate against a race. That's action, not thoughts.
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People are allowed to have emotional reactions and thoughts during times of turmoil.
His action was walking around, hoping to get assaulted by a person of color and hoping to be able to use self-defence as a means to protect himself from the law. Which that is premeditated, absolutely. But he didn't go and beat a random bystander to death.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
People are allowed to have emotional reactions and thoughts during times of turmoil.
Sure, and if those actions are racist, they get exposed. It's not a crime to be racist, but it is still racist.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
His action was walking around, hoping to get assaulted by a person of color and hoping to be able to use self-defence as a means to protect himself from the law. Which that is premeditated, absolutely. But he didn't go and beat a random bystander to death.
It doesn't require murder to have done something racist. His thoughts and actions were against one race. That's what racism is.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
His action was walking around, hoping to get assaulted by a person of color and hoping to be able to use self-defence as a means to protect himself from the law. Which that is premeditated, absolutely. But he didn't go and beat a random bystander to death.
It doesn't require murder to have done something racist. His thoughts and actions were against one race. That's what racism is.
I'm not arguing what racism is. I'm arguing his actions and thought process at the time was influenced by turmoil in his life at the time.
To have and do (hope really in this case) that something occurs so you can react in an overzealous way does not make one a racist.
It makes them an emotional and unstable (at least for the time) person.
Has he continued down a road of racism and hated? Has be been discovered in a KKK outfit or blackface or continued down a path of hating people of color?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
His action was walking around, hoping to get assaulted by a person of color and hoping to be able to use self-defence as a means to protect himself from the law. Which that is premeditated, absolutely. But he didn't go and beat a random bystander to death.
It doesn't require murder to have done something racist. His thoughts and actions were against one race. That's what racism is.
I'm not arguing what racism is. I'm arguing his actions and thought process at the time was influenced by turmoil in his life at the time.
That can't be arguing as no one else has or is talking about that. That's just random statements. Yes, we all knew automatically that his racism was exposed because of turmoil and stress, no one questioned that. We are confused why it was brought up and why you think it's an argument of some kind.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
To have and do (hope really in this case) that something occurs so you can react in an overzealous way does not make one a racist.
No, being overzealous does not make one a racist. Racism has to already be there, the overzealous thing just exposes it.
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You're specifically stating that circumstance and life events have no bearing on a person and a truly non-racist person would never consider just attacking anyone who somewhat matched the description of a perpetrator of a crime.
Let me ask you, did you have any bad thoughts at all about any middle eastern person when 9-11 occured? Did anyone you know personally and were close with die in the attack and did you want to retaliate in kind?
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
To have and do (hope really in this case) that something occurs so you can react in an overzealous way does not make one a racist.
No, being overzealous does not make one a racist. Racism has to already be there, the overzealous thing just exposes it.
That's like saying no one is excited to go on vacation, you just have to always be excited.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
Has he continued down a road of racism and hated? Has be been discovered in a KKK outfit or blackface or continued down a path of hating people of color?
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
We don't know if he has continued down that path. We have no idea. What we do know is that when stressed, he went to clear racism. And that when not stressed in that way, he's controlled it since like he controlled it before. At least to the extent of not getting caught.
What your KKK or blackface bit has to do with the discussion, again, none of us know.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
Not at all. I think the guy was pissed that a family member being raped by a reported black person and that he wanted to vent his frustration in an irrational method.
Much like the US did when we went to war over 9-11. Same exact irrational racist bullshit.
