Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?
What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.
You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.
The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.
And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?
The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.
Not really. Famers do their own work. So maintenance is fairly cheap. Average farm drives a vehicle for 20 plus years. So from local farmer: Vehicle maintenance on things other than tractors is about $2000 a year (because they do the work themselves) and cost of $2500 a year for 20 years on a truck. Equals less than "rental" could possibly be.
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@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
Services like trash pick up are things you already pay for right. Sure you have to go to the dump to drop off your trash. But in a driver-less world, the dump truck comes to you, you put your trash at the street it takes it away.
Full scale automation addresses every need mentioned. While releasing you from the maintenance of a vehicle.
Yes but paying for trash pickup is MUCH higher expense than going to the dump, Dump here is about $30 a truck load (truck load is about 6 months of trash for us here) Trash pick up is $30 a month.
To change infrastructure for things that does not even exist will cost these small towns MEGA money that they do not have.
Now for cities especially big cities (this does not include Rochester) this would work great.
And you are looking at this in the light of today. Rather than what it should be, which is a full scale autonomous network of vehicles on a national level (even in rural areas) where weekly trash pick ups occur like in the city.
Think of it like paying for O365 as a business, but included you get trash, transport and anything else you need.
If you could get that for say $20-50 a month forever, (and not have to maintain the car) you'd be way better off.
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@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?
What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.
You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.
The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.
And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?
The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.
Not really. Famers do their own work. So maintenance is fairly cheap. Average farm drives a vehicle for 20 plus years. So from local farmer: Vehicle maintenance on things other than tractors is about $2000 a year (because they do the work themselves) and cost of $2500 a year for 20 years on a truck. Equals less than "rental" could possibly be.
This assumes that farmers can continually maintain newer more advanced vehicles. The reasons they can maintain a vehicle is because of its old simplicity.
Which is going away as cars become more advanced.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?
What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.
You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.
The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.
And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?
The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.
If you buy it, the payments end at some point. Renting it never does. Plus you sell it after you're done.
Maintenance never ends, insurance never ends.
You're pointing out things that makes my argument here.
Insurance does end. Some states, it never starts.
Plus I sell it at the end for $$$.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
Services like trash pick up are things you already pay for right. Sure you have to go to the dump to drop off your trash. But in a driver-less world, the dump truck comes to you, you put your trash at the street it takes it away.
Full scale automation addresses every need mentioned. While releasing you from the maintenance of a vehicle.
Yes but paying for trash pickup is MUCH higher expense than going to the dump, Dump here is about $30 a truck load (truck load is about 6 months of trash for us here) Trash pick up is $30 a month.
To change infrastructure for things that does not even exist will cost these small towns MEGA money that they do not have.
Now for cities especially big cities (this does not include Rochester) this would work great.
And you are looking at this in the light of today. Rather than what it should be, which is a full scale autonomous network of vehicles on a national level (even in rural areas) where weekly trash pick ups occur like in the city.
Think of it like paying for O365 as a business, but included you get trash, transport and anything else you need.
If you could get that for say $20-50 a month forever, (and not have to maintain the car) you'd be way better off.
At those costs yes! But I think it wouldn't hit the rural areas for a long time after it hits cities. Giving up freedom would be a big issue to overcome in rural areas. There are lots of us out here that HATE city life and couldn't stand to have it be like it is in the city.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?
What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.
You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.
The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.
And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?
The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.
If you buy it, the payments end at some point. Renting it never does. Plus you sell it after you're done.
Maintenance never ends, insurance never ends.
You're pointing out things that makes my argument here.
Insurance does end. Some states, it never starts.
Plus I sell it at the end for $$$.
But if you never need to buy it, then you never have to think about selling it. And in what state does accident insurance end or never start?
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?
What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.
You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.
The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.
And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?
The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.
If you buy it, the payments end at some point. Renting it never does. Plus you sell it after you're done.
Maintenance never ends, insurance never ends.
You're pointing out things that makes my argument here.
Insurance does end. Some states, it never starts.
Plus I sell it at the end for $$$.
But if you never need to buy it, then you never have to think about selling it. And in what state does accident insurance end or never start?
New Hampshire doesn't require insurance.
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@Son-of-Jor-El OK so One state doesn't require insurance, which eventually no one would need insurance.
So car insurance disappears for 99% of the world, saving more money.
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I didn't give you every state...I gave you my state.
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Tennessee doesn't require car insurance either.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
I didn't give you every state...I gave you my state.
Fair point. Do you understand what I'm saying though? Your reasons for not wanting autonomous cars are just more reasons for needing them.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
I didn't give you every state...I gave you my state.
Fair point. Do you understand what I'm saying though? Your reasons for not wanting autonomous cars are just more reasons for needing them.
I completely understand where you are coming from!! It would work great in the inner cities, not for rural areas in both attitude and application.
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So in these states that don't require insurance, when someone hits you and causes thousands of dollars of damage, you then have to sue them to get them to pay for repairs?
Seems like a double negative to me.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
I didn't give you every state...I gave you my state.
Fair point. Do you understand what I'm saying though? Your reasons for not wanting autonomous cars are just more reasons for needing them.
I completely understand where you are coming from!! It would work great in the inner cities, not for rural areas in both attitude and application.
But the attitude you mention is one of "eh I can do what I want, when I want" the application is already there. Just a different form factor of vehicle.
What if one day you need to dig a septic tank, do you buy a backhoe just for it, or do you hire a guy?
A fully autonomous world would absolutely remove the one off issues you mention.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
So in these states that don't require insurance, when someone hits you and causes thousands of dollars of damage, you then have to sue them to get them to pay for repairs?
Seems like a double negative to me.
Na, they just suspend your license until you pay up LOL
RSA 264:3 provides that, after a motor vehicle accident, the director of the Division of Motor Vehicles of the New Hampshire Department of Safety shall suspend the license and registration of the at-fault driver and shall suspend the registration of the owner of the vehicle involved in the accident (the suspension of the registration includes the surrender of one’s license plates). This suspension usually applies until the driver and/or owner have provided security to satisfy any judgment for damages resulting from the accident.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
So in these states that don't require insurance, when someone hits you and causes thousands of dollars of damage, you then have to sue them to get them to pay for repairs?
Seems like a double negative to me.
Na, they just suspend your license until you pay up LOL
RSA 264:3 provides that, after a motor vehicle accident, the director of the Division of Motor Vehicles of the New Hampshire Department of Safety shall suspend the license and registration of the at-fault driver and shall suspend the registration of the owner of the vehicle involved in the accident (the suspension of the registration includes the surrender of one’s license plates). This suspension usually applies until the driver and/or owner have provided security to satisfy any judgment for damages resulting from the accident.
So you don't get to travel at all under your own control. That is even more reason for self-driving cars! You'd never be stranded somewhere.
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IF you get into an accident that is your fault.
How many accidents have you got into where it is your fault? Some people, that answer is zero...just not for me
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
IF you get into an accident that is your fault.
How many accidents have you got into where it is your fault? Some people, that answer is zero...just not for me
The point is being stranded, and only human drivers can be at fault for an issue. It is always a human issue that causes car wrecks.
So you'd never be stranded and out a lot of money.
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@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
There is no way I could live without a car and a bigger vehicle for hauling stuff where I live. We also live in a rural area and there is NO public transportation at all here.
Public transportation? Around here it's called hitching a ride in a buggy.
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Also the accident situation still means you are without a vehicle for some amount of time. Usually the time it takes to call your insurance, make a claim and then go to the car rental place.
If we had self driving cars, one accidents would almost completely disappear, and two a replacement car / ambulance would be called immediately.
