Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
Agree here. Where I live I have to literally take my trash to the transfer station. Something simple and dumb like that would be an issue for a "taxi" service.
Right here too. Lot of people around us also haul water for their wells when they get dry in the summer.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El I'd disagree with you that you have a need for a car, you have a need for transportation / work-tool vehicle.
If you could avoid paying $300-600/month and have Toyota worry about the maintenance of the vehicle (and it cost you pennies in comparison) wouldn't you want to save that money?
No because my guess is it would work like a lease where you cannot do certain things to the car because technically, you don't own it. A simple matter of changing the radio would be a hassle.
Also, and your talking to a car guy, one of the BEST things about owning a car is customization. Even something small like replacing a diverter valve to a full blown blow-off valve just for the noise is fun as all hell!!
But that isn't the goal of driver-less cars. There will always be hobbyist. People who build or customize a car. And it will disappear eventually as people realize that buying a car, new or used is not the smart choice.
Sure you may purchase a used driver-less car to customize, but why? Make the "taxi" company deal with maintaining it. Imagine if you could hire a ferrari for $100/day?
I guess I see it different from you. Not only are there "hobbyists", but there are people who love the freedom of a car. There's really nothing like jumping in whenever you want. And it's YOUR car, not some company's car. I don't even want to get into how bad these cars would be abused because people don't own them (see rentals).
A Ferrari wouldn't work for me here...at least today. Plus at $100 a day needing to get to work would run me $500 a week and some days $600 a week. I'm in IT brother!! I can't afford that!! LOL
The Ferrari example was a bit tongue in cheek in that if you wanted something fun, you'd hire the "limo" (if you get my point)
I got your point.
I can do that one for a onsies or twosies a year, but NEVER for everyday.
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@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
Agree here. Where I live I have to literally take my trash to the transfer station. Something simple and dumb like that would be an issue for a "taxi" service.
But again, why do you think that? A self driving vacuum dump truck could drive around everywhere and collect that. You'd never have to leave home.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
Agree here. Where I live I have to literally take my trash to the transfer station. Something simple and dumb like that would be an issue for a "taxi" service.
But again, why do you think that? A self driving vacuum dump truck could drive around everywhere and collect that. You'd never have to leave home.
So, a car for me to get to work, now a truck so I can get around on snowy days and times when I am working on my yard. NOW I need a dump truck for the garbage? Sounds expensive and impracticable.
I do get it...inner cities, this may work. Get outside the city and the idea collapses.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?
What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.
You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
Agree here. Where I live I have to literally take my trash to the transfer station. Something simple and dumb like that would be an issue for a "taxi" service.
But again, why do you think that? A self driving vacuum dump truck could drive around everywhere and collect that. You'd never have to leave home.
So, a car for me to get to work, now a truck so I can get around on snowy days and times when I am working on my yard. NOW I need a dump truck for the garbage? Sounds expensive and impracticable.
I do get it...inner cities, this may work. Get outside the city and the idea collapses.
Not at massive scales it doesn't. Where you literally put a vehicle in every area to cover the needs. You essentially do this now, except you are expending your time in driving to plow, drop off the trash etc.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?
What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.
You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.
The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.
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Services like trash pick up are things you already pay for right. Sure you have to go to the dump to drop off your trash. But in a driver-less world, the dump truck comes to you, you put your trash at the street it takes it away.
Full scale automation addresses every need mentioned. While releasing you from the maintenance of a vehicle.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. Inner cities to get groceries, fine. You get outside that belt and the MANY applications different vehicles get, it wouldn't be able to handle. Plus the thinking like you mentioned is vastly different than in the cities. We love our cars and trucks!!
And I'm telling you right now...If I ever get my Ford F-150 Raptor that Santa has been promising me, I'll NEVER give that up!!
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@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?
What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.
You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.
The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.
And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?
The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
Services like trash pick up are things you already pay for right. Sure you have to go to the dump to drop off your trash. But in a driver-less world, the dump truck comes to you, you put your trash at the street it takes it away.
Full scale automation addresses every need mentioned. While releasing you from the maintenance of a vehicle.
Yes but paying for trash pickup is MUCH higher expense than going to the dump, Dump here is about $30 a truck load (truck load is about 6 months of trash for us here) Trash pick up is $30 a month.
To change infrastructure for things that does not even exist will cost these small towns MEGA money that they do not have.
Now for cities especially big cities (this does not include Rochester) this would work great.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?
What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.
You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.
The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.
And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?
The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.
If you buy it, the payments end at some point. Renting it never does. Plus you sell it after you're done.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?
What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.
You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.
The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.
And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?
The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.
If you buy it, the payments end at some point. Renting it never does. Plus you sell it after you're done.
Maintenance never ends, insurance never ends.
You're pointing out things that makes my argument here.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?
What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.
You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.
The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.
And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?
The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.
Not really. Famers do their own work. So maintenance is fairly cheap. Average farm drives a vehicle for 20 plus years. So from local farmer: Vehicle maintenance on things other than tractors is about $2000 a year (because they do the work themselves) and cost of $2500 a year for 20 years on a truck. Equals less than "rental" could possibly be.
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@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
Services like trash pick up are things you already pay for right. Sure you have to go to the dump to drop off your trash. But in a driver-less world, the dump truck comes to you, you put your trash at the street it takes it away.
Full scale automation addresses every need mentioned. While releasing you from the maintenance of a vehicle.
Yes but paying for trash pickup is MUCH higher expense than going to the dump, Dump here is about $30 a truck load (truck load is about 6 months of trash for us here) Trash pick up is $30 a month.
To change infrastructure for things that does not even exist will cost these small towns MEGA money that they do not have.
Now for cities especially big cities (this does not include Rochester) this would work great.
And you are looking at this in the light of today. Rather than what it should be, which is a full scale autonomous network of vehicles on a national level (even in rural areas) where weekly trash pick ups occur like in the city.
Think of it like paying for O365 as a business, but included you get trash, transport and anything else you need.
If you could get that for say $20-50 a month forever, (and not have to maintain the car) you'd be way better off.
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@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?
What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.
You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.
The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.
And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?
The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.
Not really. Famers do their own work. So maintenance is fairly cheap. Average farm drives a vehicle for 20 plus years. So from local farmer: Vehicle maintenance on things other than tractors is about $2000 a year (because they do the work themselves) and cost of $2500 a year for 20 years on a truck. Equals less than "rental" could possibly be.
This assumes that farmers can continually maintain newer more advanced vehicles. The reasons they can maintain a vehicle is because of its old simplicity.
Which is going away as cars become more advanced.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?
What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.
You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.
The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.
And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?
The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.
If you buy it, the payments end at some point. Renting it never does. Plus you sell it after you're done.
Maintenance never ends, insurance never ends.
You're pointing out things that makes my argument here.
Insurance does end. Some states, it never starts.
Plus I sell it at the end for $$$.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
Services like trash pick up are things you already pay for right. Sure you have to go to the dump to drop off your trash. But in a driver-less world, the dump truck comes to you, you put your trash at the street it takes it away.
Full scale automation addresses every need mentioned. While releasing you from the maintenance of a vehicle.
Yes but paying for trash pickup is MUCH higher expense than going to the dump, Dump here is about $30 a truck load (truck load is about 6 months of trash for us here) Trash pick up is $30 a month.
To change infrastructure for things that does not even exist will cost these small towns MEGA money that they do not have.
Now for cities especially big cities (this does not include Rochester) this would work great.
And you are looking at this in the light of today. Rather than what it should be, which is a full scale autonomous network of vehicles on a national level (even in rural areas) where weekly trash pick ups occur like in the city.
Think of it like paying for O365 as a business, but included you get trash, transport and anything else you need.
If you could get that for say $20-50 a month forever, (and not have to maintain the car) you'd be way better off.
At those costs yes! But I think it wouldn't hit the rural areas for a long time after it hits cities. Giving up freedom would be a big issue to overcome in rural areas. There are lots of us out here that HATE city life and couldn't stand to have it be like it is in the city.
