Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?
What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.
You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.
The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.
And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?
The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.
If you buy it, the payments end at some point. Renting it never does. Plus you sell it after you're done.
Maintenance never ends, insurance never ends.
You're pointing out things that makes my argument here.
Insurance does end. Some states, it never starts.
Plus I sell it at the end for $$$.
But if you never need to buy it, then you never have to think about selling it. And in what state does accident insurance end or never start?
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
That's just it there isn't even a taxi option here where I live. We just don't have them period. There are lots of areas of the country where they don't. So there would be need to be a huge change in how people think and work from the current thinking.
Also Farm country.... farmers have to have their own vehicles.
But why do you think that people would need to change? Tesla (and other companies) would just put these vehicles on the road in mass, and have them within a few minutes of everywhere.
And why do you think farmers need to have their own vehicles? Why not just rent a vehicle constantly, and if the vehicles senses an issue that needs maintenance it orders a replacement vehicle and drives back to be repaired?
Some of the farm equipment is customized depending on the application. Even a simple pickup truck. Some days you're going to throw the plow on it. Other days your towing. Other days maybe something else I'm not thinking about.
And again, self driving vehicles already could do this. Most farms already have full autonomous equipment. What makes plowing so difficult that it couldn't be automated?
What makes the idea of "I need a truck to move some lumber" difficult? A truck would pull up, you'd tell it whereabouts on the property to go, and it'd drive there.
You'd load up whatever, and tell it where to go next.
The big thing is cost. Farmers go and buy a $50K truck and then run it into the ground and then squeeze 10 more years out of it.
And how is that any different from renting a vehicle indefinitely and not having to run the maintenance on it?
The farmer would actually make out better in the long run.
If you buy it, the payments end at some point. Renting it never does. Plus you sell it after you're done.
Maintenance never ends, insurance never ends.
You're pointing out things that makes my argument here.
Insurance does end. Some states, it never starts.
Plus I sell it at the end for $$$.
But if you never need to buy it, then you never have to think about selling it. And in what state does accident insurance end or never start?
New Hampshire doesn't require insurance.
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@Son-of-Jor-El OK so One state doesn't require insurance, which eventually no one would need insurance.
So car insurance disappears for 99% of the world, saving more money.
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I didn't give you every state...I gave you my state.
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Tennessee doesn't require car insurance either.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
I didn't give you every state...I gave you my state.
Fair point. Do you understand what I'm saying though? Your reasons for not wanting autonomous cars are just more reasons for needing them.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
I didn't give you every state...I gave you my state.
Fair point. Do you understand what I'm saying though? Your reasons for not wanting autonomous cars are just more reasons for needing them.
I completely understand where you are coming from!! It would work great in the inner cities, not for rural areas in both attitude and application.
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So in these states that don't require insurance, when someone hits you and causes thousands of dollars of damage, you then have to sue them to get them to pay for repairs?
Seems like a double negative to me.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
I didn't give you every state...I gave you my state.
Fair point. Do you understand what I'm saying though? Your reasons for not wanting autonomous cars are just more reasons for needing them.
I completely understand where you are coming from!! It would work great in the inner cities, not for rural areas in both attitude and application.
But the attitude you mention is one of "eh I can do what I want, when I want" the application is already there. Just a different form factor of vehicle.
What if one day you need to dig a septic tank, do you buy a backhoe just for it, or do you hire a guy?
A fully autonomous world would absolutely remove the one off issues you mention.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
So in these states that don't require insurance, when someone hits you and causes thousands of dollars of damage, you then have to sue them to get them to pay for repairs?
Seems like a double negative to me.
Na, they just suspend your license until you pay up LOL
RSA 264:3 provides that, after a motor vehicle accident, the director of the Division of Motor Vehicles of the New Hampshire Department of Safety shall suspend the license and registration of the at-fault driver and shall suspend the registration of the owner of the vehicle involved in the accident (the suspension of the registration includes the surrender of one’s license plates). This suspension usually applies until the driver and/or owner have provided security to satisfy any judgment for damages resulting from the accident.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
So in these states that don't require insurance, when someone hits you and causes thousands of dollars of damage, you then have to sue them to get them to pay for repairs?
Seems like a double negative to me.
Na, they just suspend your license until you pay up LOL
RSA 264:3 provides that, after a motor vehicle accident, the director of the Division of Motor Vehicles of the New Hampshire Department of Safety shall suspend the license and registration of the at-fault driver and shall suspend the registration of the owner of the vehicle involved in the accident (the suspension of the registration includes the surrender of one’s license plates). This suspension usually applies until the driver and/or owner have provided security to satisfy any judgment for damages resulting from the accident.
So you don't get to travel at all under your own control. That is even more reason for self-driving cars! You'd never be stranded somewhere.
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IF you get into an accident that is your fault.
How many accidents have you got into where it is your fault? Some people, that answer is zero...just not for me
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
IF you get into an accident that is your fault.
How many accidents have you got into where it is your fault? Some people, that answer is zero...just not for me
The point is being stranded, and only human drivers can be at fault for an issue. It is always a human issue that causes car wrecks.
So you'd never be stranded and out a lot of money.
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@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
There is no way I could live without a car and a bigger vehicle for hauling stuff where I live. We also live in a rural area and there is NO public transportation at all here.
Public transportation? Around here it's called hitching a ride in a buggy.
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Also the accident situation still means you are without a vehicle for some amount of time. Usually the time it takes to call your insurance, make a claim and then go to the car rental place.
If we had self driving cars, one accidents would almost completely disappear, and two a replacement car / ambulance would be called immediately.
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AMBULANCE!!!! I called an ambulance in July when my GF stopped breathing. Cost me $1500 for the 5 minute ride.
No thank you.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
AMBULANCE!!!! I called an ambulance in July when my GF stopped breathing. Cost me $1500 for the 5 minute ride.
No thank you.
You/She don't have medical insurance? Seems like a personal issue there.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
AMBULANCE!!!! I called an ambulance in July when my GF stopped breathing. Cost me $1500 for the 5 minute ride.
No thank you.
You/She don't have medical insurance? Seems like a personal issue there.
Not covered (a WHOLE different argument there LOL)
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Also medical emergency help must be provided, and if you are unable to pay for it they don't just refuse you. It's not as if they ask for cash at the scene before they gurney up the person having a heart attack.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
AMBULANCE!!!! I called an ambulance in July when my GF stopped breathing. Cost me $1500 for the 5 minute ride.
No thank you.
You/She don't have medical insurance? Seems like a personal issue there.
Not covered (a WHOLE different argument there LOL)
One which really is here to detract from the conversation at hand. Medical insurance is there because bodily parts fail, and accidents happen (and the health system is rigged in such a way to essentially mandate it).
[line about medical care was grounds for starting flame war].
