Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
aloha network
So the wireless SSID is "aloha", like I asked who knows how long ago.
Where is the gain of them being on this network in advance? Can you not download the apps they need from any wireless network?
Apps are loaded, Terminal configuration is not on these, and the only way to get them up and working prior to leaving the office is to get them on the network.
Does that answer the question?
It's a start. Took way to long to get here though.
You're setting up a custom wireless network, so they can just connect at a remote site.
The "terminal" is a red herring. All they need to do is pull an IP address from that SSID.
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The "terminal" is a red herring. All they need to do is pull an IP address from that SSID.
You're half right;
they need the IP address and terminal configuration on this network. let me explain before you start jumping at me again:With the latest version of aloha pos we have to use an auto loader for all terminals including tablets; a program designed to ease the configuration, so to load the tablets correctly they need to be able to run this auto loader.
may not seem important to you, but for NCR aloha, it has to happen or i wont have tablets ready. -
@WrCombs FFS start making your own threads.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs FFS start making your own threads.
well it was supposed to be a simply fucking question so I didn't think a thread was needed, ass.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I'm using an Unifi AP.
You just said here;Yes, Unifi AP, which needs a controller to be set up. So nothing related to the factors you are mentioning.
how is it not?
Im going to us an Unifi AP to create the wireless network for staging tablets- you're telling me those aren't connected?No, not connected once set up. What does the controller have to do with this process? The controller sets up the AP. It's an AP, what more is there to do?
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs FFS start making your own threads.
well it was supposed to be a simply fucking question so I didn't think a thread was needed, ass.
I think it's rather complex because it's not just a simple question, but a complex question that leads to wondering about network management infrastructure design.
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@WrCombs said in would have to set up a unifi controller for my ap to be used:
But, I would have to set up a Unifi controller for my AP to be used on my Aloha Network as wireless - For tablets.. Right ?
I'm going to go back to the original question.
First: ALOHO is an SSID, and also a red herring.
Second: For tablets is a red herring.
Third: The question is only "Do I need a Unifi Controller to setup a Unifi AP"So....
"Do I need a Unifi Controller to setup a Unifi AP"
Yes, Unifi APs can only be set up from a controller.
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@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But I would have to set up a unifi controller for my ap to be used on my Aloha Network as wireless - For tablets.. Right ?
Your Unifi AP? Yes, it needs a controller. CAN be a controller on your phone.
well I'm going to use it to test and load tablets for this site that im installing soon.
This isn't relevant and makes no sense. I think the issue here is that there is confusion about how an Access Point works. It is like a switch. Literally, it's a wireless hub, but essentially a switch. Once the SSID and password are set, all devices connect to access points with that SSID/Password, it's that simple. You don't configure an AP or a switch for each new device that will connect to it, that's not how networking works. You just configure the AP once and then every wireless device that chooses that SSID and knows the password can connect to it forever.
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@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But I would have to set up a unifi controller for my ap to be used on my Aloha Network as wireless - For tablets.. Right ?
Your Unifi AP? Yes, it needs a controller. CAN be a controller on your phone.
The AP only needs a controller to be setup, you can turn it off after the AP is configured if you don't need any logging etc.
I shouldn't need logging.
Then you don't need a controller that is running full time. But making one that only runs part time is often more of a pain. You can put the controller anywhere... a dongle, a VM on your server, on a laptop, on a server in the cloud. Anywhere that the AP can reliably get to it with a static IP address.
Because it needs a static IP address, using a laptop will be more work and a pain for no reason. We normally use the cloud because it is incredibly rare to only want one Unifi device in the entire universe and there is no reason not to share the controller with all of your devices rather than building and maintaining a controller for each one individually. So cloud is the light, easy choice. Laptop is the heavy, hard choice.
Hence why laptop seems weird... it's not the "just do it on my laptop" option, it's the "all this extra work without benefit" option.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But I would have to set up a unifi controller for my ap to be used on my Aloha Network as wireless - For tablets.. Right ?
Your Unifi AP? Yes, it needs a controller. CAN be a controller on your phone.
well I'm going to use it to test and load tablets for this site that im installing soon.
This isn't relevant and makes no sense. I think the issue here is that there is confusion about how an Access Point works. It is like a switch. Literally, it's a wireless hub, but essentially a switch. Once the SSID and password are set, all devices connect to access points with that SSID/Password, it's that simple. You don't configure an AP or a switch for each new device that will connect to it, that's not how networking works. You just configure the AP once and then every wireless device that chooses that SSID and knows the password can connect to it forever.no the confusion is coming from the fact that I'm running 2 networks off the of the server; 1 = internet , 1 =unrouted private network ;
I'm connecting my AP to the unrouted private network with the SSID = Aloha which is the unrouted private network.
we all aren't seeing the same thing; I'm Wrong for my word choice ; I forgot I'm not dealing with aloha people; That's on me.
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@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
Question; should this be set up on my Server for the site, or my phone/laptop ?
does it matter though? it's not going with the site this is just for staging.It is it not going with the site, then the cloud becomes the only obvious answer. Because it's the only one that doesn't require you to reset the device and build a new controller anytime you move the AP.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
Question; should this be set up on my Server for the site, or my phone/laptop ?
does it matter though? it's not going with the site this is just for staging.It is it not going with the site, then the cloud becomes the only obvious answer. Because it's the only one that doesn't require you to reset the device and build a new controller anytime you move the AP.
The site will be supplying their own AP -
But for purpose of loading I will need an AP.
I have one at home that I will bring it to assist in loading them . -
@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
Question; should this be set up on my Server for the site, or my phone/laptop ?
does it matter though? it's not going with the site this is just for staging.It is it not going with the site, then the cloud becomes the only obvious answer. Because it's the only one that doesn't require you to reset the device and build a new controller anytime you move the AP.
The site will be supplying their own AP -
But for purpose of loading I will need an AP.
I have one at home that I will bring it to assist in loading them .Oh, you meant it is not going TO the site. "To" means it isn't moving around. "With" means it is moving around. Opposite means when that word is switched.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
Question; should this be set up on my Server for the site, or my phone/laptop ?
does it matter though? it's not going with the site this is just for staging.It is it not going with the site, then the cloud becomes the only obvious answer. Because it's the only one that doesn't require you to reset the device and build a new controller anytime you move the AP.
The site will be supplying their own AP -
But for purpose of loading I will need an AP.
I have one at home that I will bring it to assist in loading them .Oh, you meant it is not going TO the site. "To" means it isn't moving around. "With" means it is moving around. Opposite means when that word is switched.
correct.
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@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
I have one at home that I will bring it to assist in loading them .
/sigh
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LOL - crazy - @WrCombs left out the fact that the UAP will be on a private non-routed network segment. So using an internet controller isn't possible, as the UAP can't reach the internet.
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@Dashrender said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
LOL - crazy - @WrCombs left out the fact that the UAP will be on a private non-routed network segment. So using an internet controller isn't possible, as the UAP can't reach the internet.
@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But I would have to set up a unifi controller for my ap to be used on my Aloha Network as wireless - For tablets.. Right ?
Your Unifi AP? Yes, it needs a controller. CAN be a controller on your phone.
well I'm going to use it to test and load tablets for this site that im installing soon.
This isn't relevant and makes no sense. I think the issue here is that there is confusion about how an Access Point works. It is like a switch. Literally, it's a wireless hub, but essentially a switch. Once the SSID and password are set, all devices connect to access points with that SSID/Password, it's that simple. You don't configure an AP or a switch for each new device that will connect to it, that's not how networking works. You just configure the AP once and then every wireless device that chooses that SSID and knows the password can connect to it forever.no the confusion is coming from the fact that I'm running 2 networks off the of the server; 1 = internet , 1 =unrouted private network ;
I'm connecting my AP to the unrouted private network with the SSID = Aloha which is the unrouted private network.
we all aren't seeing the same thing; I'm Wrong for my word choice ; I forgot I'm not dealing with aloha people; That's on me.
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@JaredBusch said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
I have one at home that I will bring it to assist in loading them .
/sigh
Agreed - WTF? no don't do this!!! make your office buy one - they aren't that bloody expensive. You should have one just for this purpose!
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@Dashrender said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@JaredBusch said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
I have one at home that I will bring it to assist in loading them .
/sigh
Agreed - WTF? no don't do this!!! make your office buy one - they aren't that bloody expensive. You should have one just for this purpose!
but we don't and we don't have the time to get one shipped.
It's mine and will stay that way. -
@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@WrCombs said in Do I Need a Unifi Controller for a Unifi AP Deployment:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But I would have to set up a unifi controller for my ap to be used on my Aloha Network as wireless - For tablets.. Right ?
Your Unifi AP? Yes, it needs a controller. CAN be a controller on your phone.
well I'm going to use it to test and load tablets for this site that im installing soon.
This isn't relevant and makes no sense. I think the issue here is that there is confusion about how an Access Point works. It is like a switch. Literally, it's a wireless hub, but essentially a switch. Once the SSID and password are set, all devices connect to access points with that SSID/Password, it's that simple. You don't configure an AP or a switch for each new device that will connect to it, that's not how networking works. You just configure the AP once and then every wireless device that chooses that SSID and knows the password can connect to it forever.no the confusion is coming from the fact that I'm running 2 networks off the of the server; 1 = internet , 1 =unrouted private network ;
I'm connecting my AP to the unrouted private network with the SSID = Aloha which is the unrouted private network.
we all aren't seeing the same thing; I'm Wrong for my word choice ; I forgot I'm not dealing with aloha people; That's on me.
I recall after hearing about the server being multi-homed that this was a setup @WrCombs has spoken of before... it seemed obvious to him.. not so to us..
