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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender
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      And MS's own posting
      https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/servicedescriptions/office-applications-service-description/office-applications-service-description

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      • wrx7mW
        wrx7m @Dashrender
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        @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

        And MS's own posting
        https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/servicedescriptions/office-applications-service-description/office-applications-service-description

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        It's funny that they list perpetual/VL options for shared computer activation. Those are licensed by device, so you don't need shared computer activation. It is irrelevant.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @JaredBusch
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          @JaredBusch said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

          @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

          @Obsolesce said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

          @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

          Scenario 3

          Either yes you can install the perpetual version on the server and then users can generate the reports, or it was done incorrectly at my last job by the ERP consultant.

          Not sure a typical perpetual version can be used - I thought it had to be a VL version installed on the RDS server - of course, one license per person (not connection, but per user) who logs into RDS. Basically all RDS users will have to have two licenses - a VL Office license, and a O356 license. Or upgrade those users to E3 (I think) to use shared office o365 on RDS.

          You don't need E3. All of the Office 365 packages that offer the full version offer multiple devices.

          Once again - multi device is not the as what's required for RDS (which is shared activation) which you don't get with BP, so you must have O365 ProPlus or E3 or higher.

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          • wrx7mW
            wrx7m
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            @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

            @JaredBusch said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

            @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

            @Obsolesce said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

            @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

            Scenario 3

            Either yes you can install the perpetual version on the server and then users can generate the reports, or it was done incorrectly at my last job by the ERP consultant.

            Not sure a typical perpetual version can be used - I thought it had to be a VL version installed on the RDS server - of course, one license per person (not connection, but per user) who logs into RDS. Basically all RDS users will have to have two licenses - a VL Office license, and a O356 license. Or upgrade those users to E3 (I think) to use shared office o365 on RDS.

            You don't need E3. All of the Office 365 packages that offer the full version offer multiple devices.

            Once again - multi device is not the as what's required for RDS (which is shared activation) which you don't get with BP, so you must have E3 or higher.

            That chart you linked to in the previous post doesn't list E3 or higher in that matrix. Did you see something that shows E3 or higher will allow shared computer activation/are considered proplus plans?

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            • wrx7mW
              wrx7m
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              VAR replied saying our ERP only supports Microsoft office products. So, I can probably get away with Open or Libre in the conf rooms. I am still wondering if the RDS will work, despite what they say.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @wrx7m
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                @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                @JaredBusch said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                @Obsolesce said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                Scenario 3

                Either yes you can install the perpetual version on the server and then users can generate the reports, or it was done incorrectly at my last job by the ERP consultant.

                Not sure a typical perpetual version can be used - I thought it had to be a VL version installed on the RDS server - of course, one license per person (not connection, but per user) who logs into RDS. Basically all RDS users will have to have two licenses - a VL Office license, and a O356 license. Or upgrade those users to E3 (I think) to use shared office o365 on RDS.

                You don't need E3. All of the Office 365 packages that offer the full version offer multiple devices.

                Once again - multi device is not the as what's required for RDS (which is shared activation) which you don't get with BP, so you must have E3 or higher.

                That chart you linked to in the previous post doesn't list E3 or higher in that matrix. Did you see something that shows E3 or higher will allow shared computer activation/are considered proplus plans?

                I didn't look for a link - I know we've talked about it before here and E3 definitely qualifies... I know once upon a time it didn't but that was changed a few years ago.
                I did find a link talking about Microsoft 365 (not O365, but M365) does support shared activation.
                https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Microsoft-365-Business-Blog/Shared-Computer-Activation-for-Office-in-Microsoft-365-Business/ba-p/472994

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @wrx7m
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                  @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                  VAR replied saying our ERP only supports Microsoft office products. So, I can probably get away with Open or Libre in the conf rooms. I am still wondering if the RDS will work, despite what they say.

                  Well, you could try creating a hard link between excel.exe and the OO sheets.exe (assuming that's it's filename) and assuming the passing of data is the same between excel and OO, then you should be good.

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                  • wrx7mW
                    wrx7m @Dashrender
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                    @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                    @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                    @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                    @JaredBusch said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                    @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                    @Obsolesce said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                    @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                    Scenario 3

                    Either yes you can install the perpetual version on the server and then users can generate the reports, or it was done incorrectly at my last job by the ERP consultant.

                    Not sure a typical perpetual version can be used - I thought it had to be a VL version installed on the RDS server - of course, one license per person (not connection, but per user) who logs into RDS. Basically all RDS users will have to have two licenses - a VL Office license, and a O356 license. Or upgrade those users to E3 (I think) to use shared office o365 on RDS.

                    You don't need E3. All of the Office 365 packages that offer the full version offer multiple devices.

                    Once again - multi device is not the as what's required for RDS (which is shared activation) which you don't get with BP, so you must have E3 or higher.

                    That chart you linked to in the previous post doesn't list E3 or higher in that matrix. Did you see something that shows E3 or higher will allow shared computer activation/are considered proplus plans?

                    I didn't look for a link - I know we've talked about it before here and E3 definitely qualifies... I know once upon a time it didn't but that was changed a few years ago.
                    I did find a link talking about Microsoft 365 (not O365, but M365) does support shared activation.
                    https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Microsoft-365-Business-Blog/Shared-Computer-Activation-for-Office-in-Microsoft-365-Business/ba-p/472994

                    Yeah MS 365 is a different animal. I think it is funny that MS office 365 chat team can't even answer the question. I am not surprised, though. Their licensing is so convoluted, it is ricockulous.

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                    • wrx7mW
                      wrx7m @Dashrender
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                      @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                      @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                      VAR replied saying our ERP only supports Microsoft office products. So, I can probably get away with Open or Libre in the conf rooms. I am still wondering if the RDS will work, despite what they say.

                      Well, you could try creating a hard link between excel.exe and the OO sheets.exe (assuming that's it's filename) and assuming the passing of data is the same between excel and OO, then you should be good.

                      I am not entirely sure how deep the integration goes with Excel. In this case, it might only be looking for the default program to open it up after running the report.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @wrx7m
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                        @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                        @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                        @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                        VAR replied saying our ERP only supports Microsoft office products. So, I can probably get away with Open or Libre in the conf rooms. I am still wondering if the RDS will work, despite what they say.

                        Well, you could try creating a hard link between excel.exe and the OO sheets.exe (assuming that's it's filename) and assuming the passing of data is the same between excel and OO, then you should be good.

                        I am not entirely sure how deep the integration goes with Excel. In this case, it might only be looking for the default program to open it up after running the report.

                        Exactly... in that case, you change the default and bam it works.. again, assuming that OO accepts the data stream the same way that Excel does.

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                        • wrx7mW
                          wrx7m
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                          It also just occurred to me that it may only be a "convenience" thing to view it in the RD session. They might not even need that and instead, access the report from a shared folder, directly from their laptop, which would have a license.

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                            flaxking
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                            The ERP's dependency might be actually be ACE, and not Excel itself
                            https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=54920

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                            • wrx7mW
                              wrx7m @flaxking
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                              @flaxking said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                              The ERP's dependency might be actually be ACE, and not Excel itself
                              https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=54920

                              Hmm. I don't know about that. We don't have access installed on the ERP server or any of the other systems.

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                                flaxking @wrx7m
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                                @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                @flaxking said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                The ERP's dependency might be actually be ACE, and not Excel itself
                                https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=54920

                                Hmm. I don't know about that. We don't have access installed on the ERP server or any of the other systems.

                                It's a shared DLL, just installing Excel would install it on a system

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @flaxking
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                                  @flaxking said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                  @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                  @flaxking said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                  The ERP's dependency might be actually be ACE, and not Excel itself
                                  https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=54920

                                  Hmm. I don't know about that. We don't have access installed on the ERP server or any of the other systems.

                                  It's a shared DLL, just installing Excel would install it on a system

                                  That's some pretty crappy software using that engine if that's the case.

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                                    flaxking @Dashrender
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                                    @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                    @flaxking said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                    @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                    @flaxking said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                    The ERP's dependency might be actually be ACE, and not Excel itself
                                    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=54920

                                    Hmm. I don't know about that. We don't have access installed on the ERP server or any of the other systems.

                                    It's a shared DLL, just installing Excel would install it on a system

                                    That's some pretty crappy software using that engine if that's the case.

                                    If they specifically want to create a feature which is an integration with Microsoft Excel, should they not use the tools provided by Microsoft to do so?

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @flaxking
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                                      @flaxking said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                      @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                      @flaxking said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                      @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                      @flaxking said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                      The ERP's dependency might be actually be ACE, and not Excel itself
                                      https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=54920

                                      Hmm. I don't know about that. We don't have access installed on the ERP server or any of the other systems.

                                      It's a shared DLL, just installing Excel would install it on a system

                                      That's some pretty crappy software using that engine if that's the case.

                                      If they specifically want to create a feature which is an integration with Microsoft Excel, should they not use the tools provided by Microsoft to do so?

                                      Absolutely not. That's considered one of the biggest, most amateur and/or "don't care about users" programming blunders. It's one of the most common red flags for bad software. Calling it the "tools provided by Microsoft" makes it sound logical, but when you describe it as "tools provided by Microsoft that require the end users to purchase, maintain, support, and constant fix integration with a tertiary product", then it is clear why only a total idiot or truly uncaring developer would do it. And as it is the second most well known "total screw up" for software development inclusions, there is absolutely no viable excuse for a programmer doing it (the most well known is hard coding to SQL Server for no reason.)

                                      This is one of the standard "free for developers, screws the customer" tools that is used as the industry wide example of how lazy developers are lured into making bad software in order to forcible funnel money into a vendor. And it raises the actual cost of the end product, while generally making it flaky and unstable. We make a fortune supporting software that works this way because the MS Office products deregister or have problems all of the time and it is impossible for the software makers to support it. It literally makes their software "not work" reliably.

                                      It's also one of the most common examples of what huge blunders happen when developers get to make decisions without the insight and oversight of operations teams. Because using these tools is easy for the devs, at the cost of totally screwing the end users and operations teams.

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                                        Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                                        @scottalanmiller It's good to not only include the MS Tool for perhaps features that nothing else supports (among many other reasons) , but also the FOSS stuff too. Not just the MS stuff, that is very idiotic.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                          @Obsolesce said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                          @scottalanmiller It's good to not only include the MS Tool for perhaps features that nothing else supports (among many other reasons) , but also the FOSS stuff too. Not just the MS stuff, that is very idiotic.

                                          That's also true. I know loads of companies that get screwed with this stuff and have zero intention to use it with MS products, that's just how people talk about it. They want a CSV, for example, not Excel. But the majority of people call CSVs an "Excel file" adding to the confusion.

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                                            NDC @wrx7m
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                                            @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                            @Obsolesce said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                            @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                            Scenario 1

                                            You need to install O365 on that machine using the shared option. Forget the name atm, not at a PC.

                                            What happens is when they log on to the computer, office asks them to log in.

                                            They'll need to have their own login for that computer.

                                            Technically, doing it this way is the only allowed way to do it. You must specifically install the shared version of office.

                                            Edit: found the link
                                            https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployoffice/overview-of-shared-computer-activation-for-office-365-proplus

                                            I have read that, and the shared activation is for proplus. We have business premium. So, we would have to assign users with proplus licensing. However, a chat with MS last night yielded no solution. Sure, you can use proplus to do this, but what about if you have those same users that have office 365 mailboxes/exchange online with business premium? They couldn't answer that.

                                            I read that MS has expanded the selections that can do shared activation somewhere. I want to say that happened in April? Here we go MS blog about the change.

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