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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @wrx7m
      last edited by Dashrender

      @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

      @JaredBusch said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

      @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

      @JaredBusch said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

      @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

      @Obsolesce said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

      @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

      Scenario 3

      Either yes you can install the perpetual version on the server and then users can generate the reports, or it was done incorrectly at my last job by the ERP consultant.

      Not sure a typical perpetual version can be used - I thought it had to be a VL version installed on the RDS server - of course, one license per person (not connection, but per user) who logs into RDS. Basically all RDS users will have to have two licenses - a VL Office license, and a O356 license. Or upgrade those users to E3 (I think) to use shared office o365 on RDS.

      You don't need E3. All of the Office 365 packages that offer the full version offer multiple devices.

      Multi-device, sure, but RDS? that's what I don't know.

      It is just a device. There is nothing special about RDS.

      https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployoffice/deploy-office-365-proplus-by-using-remote-desktop-services

      But there is... You need a proplus plan to deploy to RDS. MS doesn't say which plans are proplus, aside from the obvious proplus, which doesn't include any services like email.

      ProPlus includes Acess, I'm pretty sure. So if Business Premium doesn't include Access, it's not ProPlus - that's my guess anyway... and one of the things that lead me to believe that you had to have E3 or better.

      I just looked Access does appear to be part of BP.

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      • wrx7mW
        wrx7m @Dashrender
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        @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

        @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

        @JaredBusch said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

        @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

        @JaredBusch said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

        @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

        @Obsolesce said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

        @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

        Scenario 3

        Either yes you can install the perpetual version on the server and then users can generate the reports, or it was done incorrectly at my last job by the ERP consultant.

        Not sure a typical perpetual version can be used - I thought it had to be a VL version installed on the RDS server - of course, one license per person (not connection, but per user) who logs into RDS. Basically all RDS users will have to have two licenses - a VL Office license, and a O356 license. Or upgrade those users to E3 (I think) to use shared office o365 on RDS.

        You don't need E3. All of the Office 365 packages that offer the full version offer multiple devices.

        Multi-device, sure, but RDS? that's what I don't know.

        It is just a device. There is nothing special about RDS.

        https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployoffice/deploy-office-365-proplus-by-using-remote-desktop-services

        But there is... You need a proplus plan to deploy to RDS. MS doesn't say which plans are proplus, aside from the obvious proplus, which doesn't include any services like email.

        ProPlus includes Acess, I'm pretty sure. So if Business Premium doesn't include Access, it's not ProPlus - that's my guess anyway... and one of the things that lead me to believe that you had to have E3 or better.

        I just looked Access does appear to be part of BP.

        Unfortunately, BP is not considered ProPlus, as my attempt to use shared activation and it prohibiting me from doing so, led me to posting.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender
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          I found this, the poster says what @wrx7m just said - BP is not ProPlus, therefore you don't get shared activation, therefore you can't use it on RDS or in any of the situations the OP has.

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          https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/servicedescriptions/office-applications-service-description/office-applications-service-description

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          • wrx7mW
            wrx7m
            last edited by wrx7m

            I am contacting our VAR for our ERP to see if we can use Open Office or Libre Office. I might do the same in the conference rooms now, too; we are now using Slack instead of SFB/Teams, so that need is no longer there.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender
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              And MS's own posting
              https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/servicedescriptions/office-applications-service-description/office-applications-service-description

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              • wrx7mW
                wrx7m @Dashrender
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                @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                And MS's own posting
                https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/servicedescriptions/office-applications-service-description/office-applications-service-description

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                It's funny that they list perpetual/VL options for shared computer activation. Those are licensed by device, so you don't need shared computer activation. It is irrelevant.

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @JaredBusch
                  last edited by Dashrender

                  @JaredBusch said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                  @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                  @Obsolesce said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                  @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                  Scenario 3

                  Either yes you can install the perpetual version on the server and then users can generate the reports, or it was done incorrectly at my last job by the ERP consultant.

                  Not sure a typical perpetual version can be used - I thought it had to be a VL version installed on the RDS server - of course, one license per person (not connection, but per user) who logs into RDS. Basically all RDS users will have to have two licenses - a VL Office license, and a O356 license. Or upgrade those users to E3 (I think) to use shared office o365 on RDS.

                  You don't need E3. All of the Office 365 packages that offer the full version offer multiple devices.

                  Once again - multi device is not the as what's required for RDS (which is shared activation) which you don't get with BP, so you must have O365 ProPlus or E3 or higher.

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                  • wrx7mW
                    wrx7m
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                    @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                    @JaredBusch said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                    @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                    @Obsolesce said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                    @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                    Scenario 3

                    Either yes you can install the perpetual version on the server and then users can generate the reports, or it was done incorrectly at my last job by the ERP consultant.

                    Not sure a typical perpetual version can be used - I thought it had to be a VL version installed on the RDS server - of course, one license per person (not connection, but per user) who logs into RDS. Basically all RDS users will have to have two licenses - a VL Office license, and a O356 license. Or upgrade those users to E3 (I think) to use shared office o365 on RDS.

                    You don't need E3. All of the Office 365 packages that offer the full version offer multiple devices.

                    Once again - multi device is not the as what's required for RDS (which is shared activation) which you don't get with BP, so you must have E3 or higher.

                    That chart you linked to in the previous post doesn't list E3 or higher in that matrix. Did you see something that shows E3 or higher will allow shared computer activation/are considered proplus plans?

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                    • wrx7mW
                      wrx7m
                      last edited by wrx7m

                      VAR replied saying our ERP only supports Microsoft office products. So, I can probably get away with Open or Libre in the conf rooms. I am still wondering if the RDS will work, despite what they say.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @wrx7m
                        last edited by

                        @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                        @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                        @JaredBusch said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                        @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                        @Obsolesce said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                        @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                        Scenario 3

                        Either yes you can install the perpetual version on the server and then users can generate the reports, or it was done incorrectly at my last job by the ERP consultant.

                        Not sure a typical perpetual version can be used - I thought it had to be a VL version installed on the RDS server - of course, one license per person (not connection, but per user) who logs into RDS. Basically all RDS users will have to have two licenses - a VL Office license, and a O356 license. Or upgrade those users to E3 (I think) to use shared office o365 on RDS.

                        You don't need E3. All of the Office 365 packages that offer the full version offer multiple devices.

                        Once again - multi device is not the as what's required for RDS (which is shared activation) which you don't get with BP, so you must have E3 or higher.

                        That chart you linked to in the previous post doesn't list E3 or higher in that matrix. Did you see something that shows E3 or higher will allow shared computer activation/are considered proplus plans?

                        I didn't look for a link - I know we've talked about it before here and E3 definitely qualifies... I know once upon a time it didn't but that was changed a few years ago.
                        I did find a link talking about Microsoft 365 (not O365, but M365) does support shared activation.
                        https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Microsoft-365-Business-Blog/Shared-Computer-Activation-for-Office-in-Microsoft-365-Business/ba-p/472994

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @wrx7m
                          last edited by

                          @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                          VAR replied saying our ERP only supports Microsoft office products. So, I can probably get away with Open or Libre in the conf rooms. I am still wondering if the RDS will work, despite what they say.

                          Well, you could try creating a hard link between excel.exe and the OO sheets.exe (assuming that's it's filename) and assuming the passing of data is the same between excel and OO, then you should be good.

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                          • wrx7mW
                            wrx7m @Dashrender
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                            @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                            @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                            @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                            @JaredBusch said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                            @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                            @Obsolesce said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                            @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                            Scenario 3

                            Either yes you can install the perpetual version on the server and then users can generate the reports, or it was done incorrectly at my last job by the ERP consultant.

                            Not sure a typical perpetual version can be used - I thought it had to be a VL version installed on the RDS server - of course, one license per person (not connection, but per user) who logs into RDS. Basically all RDS users will have to have two licenses - a VL Office license, and a O356 license. Or upgrade those users to E3 (I think) to use shared office o365 on RDS.

                            You don't need E3. All of the Office 365 packages that offer the full version offer multiple devices.

                            Once again - multi device is not the as what's required for RDS (which is shared activation) which you don't get with BP, so you must have E3 or higher.

                            That chart you linked to in the previous post doesn't list E3 or higher in that matrix. Did you see something that shows E3 or higher will allow shared computer activation/are considered proplus plans?

                            I didn't look for a link - I know we've talked about it before here and E3 definitely qualifies... I know once upon a time it didn't but that was changed a few years ago.
                            I did find a link talking about Microsoft 365 (not O365, but M365) does support shared activation.
                            https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Microsoft-365-Business-Blog/Shared-Computer-Activation-for-Office-in-Microsoft-365-Business/ba-p/472994

                            Yeah MS 365 is a different animal. I think it is funny that MS office 365 chat team can't even answer the question. I am not surprised, though. Their licensing is so convoluted, it is ricockulous.

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                            • wrx7mW
                              wrx7m @Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                              @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                              VAR replied saying our ERP only supports Microsoft office products. So, I can probably get away with Open or Libre in the conf rooms. I am still wondering if the RDS will work, despite what they say.

                              Well, you could try creating a hard link between excel.exe and the OO sheets.exe (assuming that's it's filename) and assuming the passing of data is the same between excel and OO, then you should be good.

                              I am not entirely sure how deep the integration goes with Excel. In this case, it might only be looking for the default program to open it up after running the report.

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @wrx7m
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                                @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                VAR replied saying our ERP only supports Microsoft office products. So, I can probably get away with Open or Libre in the conf rooms. I am still wondering if the RDS will work, despite what they say.

                                Well, you could try creating a hard link between excel.exe and the OO sheets.exe (assuming that's it's filename) and assuming the passing of data is the same between excel and OO, then you should be good.

                                I am not entirely sure how deep the integration goes with Excel. In this case, it might only be looking for the default program to open it up after running the report.

                                Exactly... in that case, you change the default and bam it works.. again, assuming that OO accepts the data stream the same way that Excel does.

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                                • wrx7mW
                                  wrx7m
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                                  It also just occurred to me that it may only be a "convenience" thing to view it in the RD session. They might not even need that and instead, access the report from a shared folder, directly from their laptop, which would have a license.

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                                    flaxking
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                                    The ERP's dependency might be actually be ACE, and not Excel itself
                                    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=54920

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                                    • wrx7mW
                                      wrx7m @flaxking
                                      last edited by

                                      @flaxking said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                      The ERP's dependency might be actually be ACE, and not Excel itself
                                      https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=54920

                                      Hmm. I don't know about that. We don't have access installed on the ERP server or any of the other systems.

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                                        flaxking @wrx7m
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                                        @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                        @flaxking said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                        The ERP's dependency might be actually be ACE, and not Excel itself
                                        https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=54920

                                        Hmm. I don't know about that. We don't have access installed on the ERP server or any of the other systems.

                                        It's a shared DLL, just installing Excel would install it on a system

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @flaxking
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                                          @flaxking said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                          @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                          @flaxking said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                          The ERP's dependency might be actually be ACE, and not Excel itself
                                          https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=54920

                                          Hmm. I don't know about that. We don't have access installed on the ERP server or any of the other systems.

                                          It's a shared DLL, just installing Excel would install it on a system

                                          That's some pretty crappy software using that engine if that's the case.

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                                            flaxking @Dashrender
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                                            @Dashrender said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                            @flaxking said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                            @wrx7m said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                            @flaxking said in Microsoft Office - Licensing Questions For 3 Scenarios:

                                            The ERP's dependency might be actually be ACE, and not Excel itself
                                            https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=54920

                                            Hmm. I don't know about that. We don't have access installed on the ERP server or any of the other systems.

                                            It's a shared DLL, just installing Excel would install it on a system

                                            That's some pretty crappy software using that engine if that's the case.

                                            If they specifically want to create a feature which is an integration with Microsoft Excel, should they not use the tools provided by Microsoft to do so?

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