UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options
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@FATeknollogee Our use of XenServer won't change, nor would the use of Xen Orchestra.
The hypervisor is independent of UrBackup (and whatever is running it). What might change is the use of our File Level backup solution.
Of course the lack of deduplication and compression is something to consider, but these are a bit trivial in comparison. Especially when there are options for deduplication with every modern operating system.
Windows Server 2012 supports dedup, as well as does the Btfrs and ZFS file systems. Of which you could create a VM, attach iscsi storage to it, and off to the races with you.
Or just locally inside of the VM, which could also then be backed up with a solution like XO at the block level. This way you'd have deduped file level with block level over it all.
Which would be pretty neat. . .
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Oh I know I didn't put this in any post above, but you can restore files on the fly.
So should a user call you and say "Hey I deleted xyz, can you restore it" You can, just go to the webconsole, browse to the file path, and click restore.
On the user system, a prompt appears asking if you actually want to restore the file, click yes. The file restoration will begin, which in my testing (very small files) was instantly.
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As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.
With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.
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@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.
With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.
@JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).
So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.
Just a different solution.
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@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.
With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.
@JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).
So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.
Just a different solution.
No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.
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@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.
With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.
@JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).
So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.
Just a different solution.
No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.
Ahh, so that is a very good thing for those solutions. 1 package to take care of block and file level restores.
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@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.
With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.
@JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).
So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.
Just a different solution.
No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.
Ahh, so that is a very good thing for those solutions. 1 package to take care of block and file level restores.
And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.
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@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.
With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.
@JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).
So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.
Just a different solution.
No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.
Ahh, so that is a very good thing for those solutions. 1 package to take care of block and file level restores.
And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.
But why, Unitrends support XenServer. Unless you are saying that the solution for Unitrends on XS differs from Unitrends for Hyper-V.
Are you?
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@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.
If Veeam would/could just support XS, we'd all be in heaven!!
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@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.
With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.
@JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).
So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.
Just a different solution.
No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.
Ahh, so that is a very good thing for those solutions. 1 package to take care of block and file level restores.
And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.
But why, Unitrends support XenServer. Unless you are saying that the solution for Unitrends on XS differs from Unitrends for Hyper-V.
Are you?
No, but was that not just added in the last year or so?
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@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.
With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.
@JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).
So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.
Just a different solution.
No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.
Ahh, so that is a very good thing for those solutions. 1 package to take care of block and file level restores.
And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.
But why, Unitrends support XenServer. Unless you are saying that the solution for Unitrends on XS differs from Unitrends for Hyper-V.
Are you?
No, but was that not just added in the last year or so?
I'm not certain when Unitrends for XS was released, I just recall seeing it.
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@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.
Not to threadjack, but http://www.quadricsoftware.com/products/alike-dr/ supports Hyper-V and XS
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@crustachio said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
Biggest downside I see is there is no dedupe or compression facility whatsoever and therefore you have to rely on the storage target's filesytem level capabilities for that. But still, beggar's can't be choosers.
Looks like FreeBSD and ZFS are supported.
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AGPL license, that's very good.
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@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.
With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.
@JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).
So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.
Just a different solution.
No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.
Ahh, so that is a very good thing for those solutions. 1 package to take care of block and file level restores.
And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.
But why, Unitrends support XenServer. Unless you are saying that the solution for Unitrends on XS differs from Unitrends for Hyper-V.
Are you?
No, but was that not just added in the last year or so?
I'm not certain when Unitrends for XS was released, I just recall seeing it.
Unitrends bought PHD Virtual. So the support for XS goes back a really long time, just not under the Unitrends brand. Unitrends XS is not at all a new product.
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@FATeknollogee said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.
If Veeam would/could just support XS, we'd all be in heaven!!
Veeam supports it, but not through the old product that people call Veeam. Veeam's two new agent based product lines don't talk to the hypervisor and obviously support both XS and KVM (and everything else) in that case.
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@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.
With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.
@JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).
So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.
Just a different solution.
No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.
Ahh, so that is a very good thing for those solutions. 1 package to take care of block and file level restores.
And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.
But why, Unitrends support XenServer. Unless you are saying that the solution for Unitrends on XS differs from Unitrends for Hyper-V.
Are you?
He might not be, but it does
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@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.
With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.
@JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).
So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.
Just a different solution.
No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.
Unitrends does it via agent (so the same as UrBackup or StorageCraft or whatever) or needs to mount an image which any image based backup could do. Veeam is unique in not needing to do an image mount to do a file restore.
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@scottalanmiller said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@DustinB3403 said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.
With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.
@JaredBusch your argument here is to use Veeam, or Unitrends, all I'm saying is you could use UrBackUp as an alternative to either of those (or Shadow Protect).
So what is your point? You're still using file level backups (with block type restore capabilities). Same here.
Just a different solution.
No, I am only using Veeam/Unitrends to back up the VM. Those products are capable of opening the VM to restore single files.
Ahh, so that is a very good thing for those solutions. 1 package to take care of block and file level restores.
And this is the second reason I refuse to run XS in production.
But why, Unitrends support XenServer. Unless you are saying that the solution for Unitrends on XS differs from Unitrends for Hyper-V.
Are you?
He might not be, but it does
My entire point is why look at a multiple products to handle backups.
Veeam does not offer XS support yet (agents do not count, that is effectively baremetal).
Unitrends does support XS, and has the ability to mount a backup and restore files directly.Unless another backup solution can do both the VM level and support individual file restores I would never consider it a viable solution.
All that using multiple products to perform the same function does is add complication.
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@JaredBusch said in UrBackup Review plus Configuration Options:
As I use Hyper-V and Veeam, I have file level restores available form the VM backup images.
With both VMWare and Hyper-V this is already possible in the normal backup solutions (Veeam/Unitrends). No need to go to yet another backup mechanism.
That's what I wish someone would get in the open source space. It's a lot of work to get that working. Everyone has just been sticking to agents. In the defense of open source, in the closed source world no one but Veeam has gotten this working either. It's really just a unique and awesome Veeam feature. And even Veeam is offering agents additionally for more functionality.
