What is New Earth
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@MattSpeller Yes, yes, tea cup in orbit, flying spaghetti monster, etc.
Simply saying religion is worthless, doesn't really have much to do with the discussions in this thread. Secondly, I imagine we've all read these things already, many times, and if it was going to have any sort of sudden impact, it would have already.
And being condescending doesn't win you converts, or de-converts, it just makes you look like a jackass. If you want to convince people there is no God or whatever, you do it by getting them to challenge the concepts of their faith, not by saying "lol pastafari dawg."
I know of no one who read a goofy Italian-cuisine based prayer and said "finally, I get it, of course, there is no God." People lose their faith primarily with intellectual challenge, not by ridicule and mocking, all you do is push people back inward.
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@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@MattSpeller Yes, yes, tea cup in orbit, flying spaghetti monster, etc.
Simply saying religion is worthless, doesn't really have much to do with the discussions in this thread. Secondly, I imagine we've all read these things already, many times, and if it was going to have any sort of sudden impact, it would have already.
And being condescending doesn't win you converts, or de-converts, it just makes you look like a jackass. If you want to convince people there is no God or whatever, you do it by getting them to challenge the concepts of their faith, not by saying "lol pastafari dawg."
I am an ass, though there's no donkey lineage I'm aware of.
As for condescending, I do not believe I was, though I stand ready to be corrected happily.
Religion is far from worthless, I can think of quite a few things where it would be highly useful - none of them make it true.
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Ok guys be nice..... again see community guide lines. http://mangolassi.it/topic/60/our-community-guidelines
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@MattSpeller said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@MattSpeller Yes, yes, tea cup in orbit, flying spaghetti monster, etc.
Simply saying religion is worthless, doesn't really have much to do with the discussions in this thread. Secondly, I imagine we've all read these things already, many times, and if it was going to have any sort of sudden impact, it would have already.
And being condescending doesn't win you converts, or de-converts, it just makes you look like a jackass. If you want to convince people there is no God or whatever, you do it by getting them to challenge the concepts of their faith, not by saying "lol pastafari dawg."
If you were not already aware, news alert, I am a jackass.
As for condescending, I do not believe I was, though I stand ready to be corrected happily.
Religion is far from worthless, I can think of quite a few things where it would be highly useful - none of them make it true.
~lol pastafarianisim, dawg.
Let me clarify, I'm saying the general idea of this ridicule and mocking based arguments people use (I know yours was largely copy/paste, I've seen it in tons of places), like pastafari don't do anything except work against whatever you're trying to prove. I just see it all the time, from people who are far more serious about seeming to believe it works, and they look like jackasses.
If one's goal is to challenge faith, there are better ways to do it. To me what you did copy/paste does suggest religion is worthless, even if you don't think so (by your own admission) and I'm addressing what it's talking about.
If you want a good way to really challenge someone's faith, get them to explain it to you, and just ask questions. That alone works for a lot of people, primarily because they don't really have strong faith to begin with, or even so, faith in easily confusing and unsound ideas. It may not turn someone into an atheist, but often it can get them away from certain ideas which may actually be dangerous to their health or family life, or what not.
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@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@MattSpeller said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@MattSpeller Yes, yes, tea cup in orbit, flying spaghetti monster, etc.
Simply saying religion is worthless, doesn't really have much to do with the discussions in this thread. Secondly, I imagine we've all read these things already, many times, and if it was going to have any sort of sudden impact, it would have already.
And being condescending doesn't win you converts, or de-converts, it just makes you look like a jackass. If you want to convince people there is no God or whatever, you do it by getting them to challenge the concepts of their faith, not by saying "lol pastafari dawg."
If you were not already aware, news alert, I am a jackass.
As for condescending, I do not believe I was, though I stand ready to be corrected happily.
Religion is far from worthless, I can think of quite a few things where it would be highly useful - none of them make it true.
~lol pastafarianisim, dawg.
Let me clarify, I'm saying the general idea of this ridicule and mocking based arguments people use (I know yours was largely copy/paste, I've seen it in tons of places), like pastafari don't do anything except work against whatever you're trying to prove. I just see it all the time, from people who are far more serious about seeming to believe it works, and they look like jackasses.
tl;dr you disagree with my methods, that's fine.
I never stooped to name calling and tried pretty hard to avoid being condescending, still awaiting any corrections to make on that.
We disagree that humor and sarcasm have no effect. In fact I strongly disagree with you there.
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@MattSpeller said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@MattSpeller said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@MattSpeller Yes, yes, tea cup in orbit, flying spaghetti monster, etc.
Simply saying religion is worthless, doesn't really have much to do with the discussions in this thread. Secondly, I imagine we've all read these things already, many times, and if it was going to have any sort of sudden impact, it would have already.
And being condescending doesn't win you converts, or de-converts, it just makes you look like a jackass. If you want to convince people there is no God or whatever, you do it by getting them to challenge the concepts of their faith, not by saying "lol pastafari dawg."
If you were not already aware, news alert, I am a jackass.
As for condescending, I do not believe I was, though I stand ready to be corrected happily.
Religion is far from worthless, I can think of quite a few things where it would be highly useful - none of them make it true.
~lol pastafarianisim, dawg.
Let me clarify, I'm saying the general idea of this ridicule and mocking based arguments people use (I know yours was largely copy/paste, I've seen it in tons of places), like pastafari don't do anything except work against whatever you're trying to prove. I just see it all the time, from people who are far more serious about seeming to believe it works, and they look like jackasses.
tl;dr you disagree with my methods, that's fine.
I never stooped to name calling and tried pretty hard to avoid being condescending, still awaiting any corrections to make on that.
We disagree that humor and sarcasm have no effect. In fact I strongly disagree with you there.
Oh I'm sure you do.
See what I did there?
Edit: Actually did I even use sarcasm correctly?
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The bottom line is there's no real polite or nice way to say I think the vast majority of humans believe in an imaginary friend with magic powers.
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@MattSpeller said in What is New Earth:
I never stooped to name calling and tried pretty hard to avoid being condescending, still awaiting any corrections to make on that.
I never said you used name calling, and the entire idea of reducing someone's faith to pasta is condescending, at least it seems that way to me. As I said, I don't know of any atheists who became atheists because of this sort of thing, it was usually years of internal struggle or whatever.
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@MattSpeller said in What is New Earth:
The bottom line is there's no real polite or nice way to say I think the vast majority of humans believe in an imaginary friend with magic powers.
Actually I think that's a lot more polite than that whole other thing, just saying exactly how you feel. It's a lot more succinct too.
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Ok this thread is taking a bad turn. I will be locking it now. If you disagree with my locking this please feel free to PM me.
