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    • RojoLocoR
      RojoLoco @tonyshowoff
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      @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

      @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

      I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

      I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

      Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

      Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @tonyshowoff
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        @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

        @scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:

        @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

        @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

        I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

        I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

        Many of those that are religious would argue that atheism must be a religion as it requires faith. Agnosticism has a strong argument for the potential to be religion free. But just as believing in a higher being requires faith, believing there is not one transfers that faith to the universe in such a way that it becomes religious.

        I think some atheists have a weird cult-like view of their own and themselves, but most atheists I don't think really have any faith at all, and I don't consider "belief" in science to be a matter of faith, because science is true whether or not you believe it. One could say that about God, but you can't test God, but you can test in science.

        True, but a belief in science and atheism are separate ideas.

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        • tonyshowoffT
          tonyshowoff @RojoLoco
          last edited by tonyshowoff

          @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

          @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

          @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

          I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

          I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

          Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

          Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

          Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said. Unless you're not considering all forms of faith to "subscribing to a religion", but that just reminds me of that "I'm not religious, I'm more spiritual" spiel you get from college students and massage therapists. I'm talking about any matter of faith at all in anything unprovable.

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          • RojoLocoR
            RojoLoco @tonyshowoff
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            @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

            @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

            @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

            @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

            I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

            I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

            Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

            Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

            Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

            Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @RojoLoco
              last edited by

              @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

              @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

              @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

              @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

              @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

              I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

              I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

              Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

              Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

              Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

              Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

              But at work... surround yourself with idiots so that you look better and are more likely to get promotions! Brilliant strategy 🙂

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              • tonyshowoffT
                tonyshowoff @RojoLoco
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                @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

                I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

                Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

                Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

                Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

                Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

                So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?

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                • RojoLocoR
                  RojoLoco @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:

                  @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                  @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                  @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                  @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                  @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                  I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

                  I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

                  Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

                  Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

                  Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

                  Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

                  But at work... surround yourself with idiots so that you look better and are more likely to get promotions! Brilliant strategy 🙂

                  YES! But in all fairness, the idiots were already here when I showed up.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @RojoLoco
                    last edited by

                    @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                    @scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:

                    @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                    @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                    @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                    @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                    @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                    I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

                    I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

                    Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

                    Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

                    Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

                    Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

                    But at work... surround yourself with idiots so that you look better and are more likely to get promotions! Brilliant strategy 🙂

                    YES! But in all fairness, the idiots were already here when I showed up.

                    Yes, it's hard to find fresh idiots a lot of times. but you just have to make sure that your meetings, for example, are just you and the idiots.

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                    • tonyshowoffT
                      tonyshowoff @RojoLoco
                      last edited by

                      @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                      @scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:

                      @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                      @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                      @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                      @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                      @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                      I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

                      I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

                      Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

                      Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

                      Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

                      Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

                      But at work... surround yourself with idiots so that you look better and are more likely to get promotions! Brilliant strategy 🙂

                      YES! But in all fairness, the idiots were already here when I showed up.

                      You gotta keep your eye on them to make sure they don't break anything and get you in trouble for it.

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch @tonyshowoff
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                        @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                        @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                        @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                        @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                        @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                        @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                        I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

                        I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

                        Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

                        Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

                        Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

                        Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

                        So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?

                        I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.

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                        • thanksajdotcomT
                          thanksajdotcom @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:

                          @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                          @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                          I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

                          I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

                          Many of those that are religious would argue that atheism must be a religion as it requires faith. Agnosticism has a strong argument for the potential to be religion free. But just as believing in a higher being requires faith, believing there is not one transfers that faith to the universe in such a way that it becomes religious.

                          One of my favorite quotes to both say and use growing up was that "everyone has faith in something, including atheists". Because either you have faith that there is something else bigger out there, or you have faith their isn't.

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                          • tonyshowoffT
                            tonyshowoff @thanksajdotcom
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                            @thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:

                            @scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:

                            @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                            @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                            I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

                            I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

                            Many of those that are religious would argue that atheism must be a religion as it requires faith. Agnosticism has a strong argument for the potential to be religion free. But just as believing in a higher being requires faith, believing there is not one transfers that faith to the universe in such a way that it becomes religious.

                            One of my favorite quotes to both say and use growing up was that "everyone has faith in something, including atheists". Because either you have faith that there is something else bigger out there, or you have faith their isn't.

                            I don't know, that kind of argument always seemed to me to be a way to try to re-level faith and reason, such as when creationists sometimes say "you have faith in evolution" or whatever, as if both are equally testable. There's certainly a separation of faith and reason, and when you try to consider them the same, you get beliefs which defy immediately observable science and really become delusions rather than acts of faith, such as flat earth.

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                            • RojoLocoR
                              RojoLoco @tonyshowoff
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                              @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                              @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                              @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                              @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                              @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                              @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                              I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

                              I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

                              Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

                              Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

                              Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

                              Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

                              So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?

                              Could be faith in anything, depends on the person. I am anti-people who feel the need to talk about their faith, whether in an organized religion or anything else. Those who need to tell me about it, I find, are generally unreasonable and are of no use to me.

                              How can you tell if someone is vegan / a parent / religious?

                              They won't shut up about it.

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                              • JaredBuschJ
                                JaredBusch @thanksajdotcom
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                                @thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:

                                One of my favorite quotes to both say and use growing up was that "everyone has faith in something, including atheists". Because either you have faith that there is something else bigger out there, or you have faith their isn't.

                                I do not have "faith" in science. Science is a thing that is proven. Belief requires a thing that cannot be proven.

                                The Wikipedia description of faith is generally solid.
                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith

                                Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing; or the observance of an obligation from loyalty; or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement; or a belief not based on proof; or it may refer to a particular system of religious belief,[1] such as in which faith is confidence based on some degree of warrant.[2][3] The term 'faith' has numerous connotations and is used in different ways, often depending on context.

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                                • thanksajdotcomT
                                  thanksajdotcom @JaredBusch
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                                  @JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:

                                  @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                                  @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                                  @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                                  @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                                  @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                                  @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                                  I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

                                  I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

                                  Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

                                  Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

                                  Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

                                  Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

                                  So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?

                                  I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.

                                  I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.

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                                  • RojoLocoR
                                    RojoLoco @thanksajdotcom
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                                    @thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:

                                    @JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:

                                    @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                                    @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                                    @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                                    @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                                    @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                                    @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                                    I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

                                    I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

                                    Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

                                    Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

                                    Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

                                    Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

                                    So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?

                                    I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.

                                    I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.

                                    I didn't know you were a Scientologist!

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                                    • JaredBuschJ
                                      JaredBusch @thanksajdotcom
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                                      @thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:

                                      @JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:

                                      @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                                      @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                                      @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                                      @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                                      @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                                      @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                                      I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

                                      I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

                                      Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

                                      Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

                                      Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

                                      Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

                                      So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?

                                      I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.

                                      I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.

                                      All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
                                      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

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                                      • tonyshowoffT
                                        tonyshowoff @RojoLoco
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                                        @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                                        @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                                        @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                                        @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                                        @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                                        @tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:

                                        @RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:

                                        I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

                                        I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

                                        Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

                                        Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

                                        Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

                                        Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

                                        So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?

                                        Could be faith in anything, depends on the person. I am anti-people who feel the need to talk about their faith, whether in an organized religion or anything else. Those who need to tell me about it, I find, are generally unreasonable and are of no use to me.

                                        How can you tell if someone is vegan / a parent / religious?

                                        They won't shut up about it.

                                        I only bring up my faith when I think it's applicable to the conversation, like here, but not really any other time. I also don't include it in any discussion involving science because like my post just above yours, faith and reason are separate.

                                        Such as with Father Georges Lemaître, a Catholic Priest who first devised the concept of "the Big Bang" theory (he didn't come up with the name, one of his critics did), at any rate when the Pope heard of this he tried to include it as proof of the faith, and Lemaître publicly criticised him saying that faith and reason are separate, do not include faith in this research.

                                        I think this idea is lost on a lot of people today.

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                                          I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.

                                          I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.

                                          Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.

                                          Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.

                                          Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.

                                          Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.

                                          So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?

                                          I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.

                                          I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.

                                          All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
                                          http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

                                          Yeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."

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                                            One of my favorite quotes to both say and use growing up was that "everyone has faith in something, including atheists". Because either you have faith that there is something else bigger out there, or you have faith their isn't.

                                            I do not have "faith" in science. Science is a thing that is proven. Belief requires a thing that cannot be proven.

                                            The Wikipedia description of faith is generally solid.
                                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith

                                            Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing; or the observance of an obligation from loyalty; or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement; or a belief not based on proof; or it may refer to a particular system of religious belief,[1] such as in which faith is confidence based on some degree of warrant.[2][3] The term 'faith' has numerous connotations and is used in different ways, often depending on context.

                                            Blind faith is just that. I look at faith much like I do a hypothesis. A hypothesis is a conclusion drawn based on certain information. As new information is gained/discovered, you can revise said hypothesis, and eventually things in science become theories (evolution, gravity, etc). I look at blind faith much as a wild statement with nothing to support it, but I look at faith as believing in something based on certain data. Of course, this is all up to interpretation.

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