What is New Earth
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@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
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@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.
I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.
Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.
Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.
Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.
Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.
So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?
Could be faith in anything, depends on the person. I am anti-people who feel the need to talk about their faith, whether in an organized religion or anything else. Those who need to tell me about it, I find, are generally unreasonable and are of no use to me.
How can you tell if someone is vegan / a parent / religious?
They won't shut up about it.
I only bring up my faith when I think it's applicable to the conversation, like here, but not really any other time. I also don't include it in any discussion involving science because like my post just above yours, faith and reason are separate.
Such as with Father Georges Lemaître, a Catholic Priest who first devised the concept of "the Big Bang" theory (he didn't come up with the name, one of his critics did), at any rate when the Pope heard of this he tried to include it as proof of the faith, and Lemaître publicly criticised him saying that faith and reason are separate, do not include faith in this research.
I think this idea is lost on a lot of people today.
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@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.
I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.
Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.
Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.
Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.
Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.
So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?
I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.
I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.
All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cultYeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."
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@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:
One of my favorite quotes to both say and use growing up was that "everyone has faith in something, including atheists". Because either you have faith that there is something else bigger out there, or you have faith their isn't.
I do not have "faith" in science. Science is a thing that is proven. Belief requires a thing that cannot be proven.
The Wikipedia description of faith is generally solid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FaithFaith is confidence or trust in a person or thing; or the observance of an obligation from loyalty; or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement; or a belief not based on proof; or it may refer to a particular system of religious belief,[1] such as in which faith is confidence based on some degree of warrant.[2][3] The term 'faith' has numerous connotations and is used in different ways, often depending on context.
Blind faith is just that. I look at faith much like I do a hypothesis. A hypothesis is a conclusion drawn based on certain information. As new information is gained/discovered, you can revise said hypothesis, and eventually things in science become theories (evolution, gravity, etc). I look at blind faith much as a wild statement with nothing to support it, but I look at faith as believing in something based on certain data. Of course, this is all up to interpretation.
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@scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
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@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.
I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.
Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.
Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.
Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.
Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.
So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?
I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.
I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.
All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cultYeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."
Cult, like Propaganda, once was not a bad word, now they both are due to their usage as a means to criticise. Now they're called "religion" and "public relations/advertising."
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@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.
I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.
Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.
Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.
Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.
Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.
So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?
I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.
I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.
I didn't know you were a Scientologist!
About half a step better than those people, but not a whole lot...JW.
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@scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.
I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.
Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.
Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.
Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.
Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.
So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?
I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.
I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.
All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cultYeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."
But to most American Christians, it is a horrible nasty word and they get offended.
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@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
.... "public relations/advertising."
Which now has a bad reputation.
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@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.
I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.
Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.
Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.
Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.
Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.
So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?
I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.
I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.
All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cultYeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."
But to most American Christians, it is a horrible nasty word and they get offended.
American christians are super easy to offend, especially in the south. It can be loads of fun if you feel like tormenting someone.
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Had to be done, it was just sitting there waiting to be said.
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@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.
I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.
Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.
Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.
Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.
Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.
So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?
I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.
I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.
All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cultYeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."
But to most American Christians, it is a horrible nasty word and they get offended.
American christians are super easy to offend, especially in the south. It can be loads of fun if you feel like tormenting someone.
If you really want to mess with some of their heads, start comparing Christianity and Islam, and argue some of the logical problems in Christianity (such as the crucifixion and resurrection, and the trinity, especially the trinity) and explain how these ideas work versus in Islam. It makes them uncomfortable, sometimes hostile because of the strangeness. It's a whole thing I don't want to derail the thread about, but as a Muslim I think it can be quite funny.
Especially though if they want to quote any violent aspects of the Qur'an, I can find usually the same things in the Bible, sometimes almost word for word since most of the Qur'an comes from the Bible in some form or another. There's plenty of double back flips trying to explain why if the Qur'an says it, it's bad, but if the Bible says it, well that's different.
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@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.
I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.
Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.
Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.
Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.
Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.
So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?
I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.
I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.
All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cultYeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."
But to most American Christians, it is a horrible nasty word and they get offended.
American christians are super easy to offend, especially in the south. It can be loads of fun if you feel like tormenting someone.
Tried explaining to one of the people I'm living with recently that
- The Trinity is not biblical
- It was enacted as doctrine by someone who wasn't Christian for political reasons
- It's one of the most confusing things to try and explain and makes no sense
Even sent her an article from a CHURCH WEBSITE that had excellent historical data, etc and she refused to read it because it disagreed with her viewpoint on the matter.
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@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.
I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.
Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.
Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.
Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.
Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.
So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?
I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.
I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.
All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cultYeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."
But to most American Christians, it is a horrible nasty word and they get offended.
American christians are super easy to offend, especially in the south. It can be loads of fun if you feel like tormenting someone.
If you really want to mess with some of their heads, start comparing Christianity and Islam, and argue some of the logical problems in Christianity (such as the crucifixion and resurrection, and the trinity, especially the trinity) and explain how these ideas work versus in Islam. It makes them uncomfortable, sometimes hostile because of the strangeness. It's a whole thing I don't want to derail the thread about, but as a Muslim I think it can be quite funny.
Especially though if they want to quote any violent aspects of the Qur'an, I can find usually the same things in the Bible, sometimes almost word for word since most of the Qur'an comes from the Bible in some form or another. There's plenty of double back flips trying to explain why if the Qur'an says it, it's bad, but if the Bible says it, well that's different.
Read my next post.
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@thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.
I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.
Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.
Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.
Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.
Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.
So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?
I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.
I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.
All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cultYeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."
But to most American Christians, it is a horrible nasty word and they get offended.
American christians are super easy to offend, especially in the south. It can be loads of fun if you feel like tormenting someone.
If you really want to mess with some of their heads, start comparing Christianity and Islam, and argue some of the logical problems in Christianity (such as the crucifixion and resurrection, and the trinity, especially the trinity) and explain how these ideas work versus in Islam. It makes them uncomfortable, sometimes hostile because of the strangeness. It's a whole thing I don't want to derail the thread about, but as a Muslim I think it can be quite funny.
Especially though if they want to quote any violent aspects of the Qur'an, I can find usually the same things in the Bible, sometimes almost word for word since most of the Qur'an comes from the Bible in some form or another. There's plenty of double back flips trying to explain why if the Qur'an says it, it's bad, but if the Bible says it, well that's different.
Read my next post.
Yeah I just saw yours I think it's funny we both brought that up.
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I try to keep quiet about my faith... but sometimes I can't, lol. I'm not going to shove it down your throat, and if you feel like I am then tell me and I'll try to shove faster. 8-)
It is up to us to decide where to put our faith... God, Science, yourself... etc. We have to reason out why we put our faith where we put it... From a Christian perspecteive, "God says so." Okay.... How has this been proven in my life?
Or from a perspective of Science: How have I seen this proven in my -- oh, hang on, I hear my cell phone is ringing.
In my brain, faith does not mean blind faith. As somebody else said, blind faith can be quite dangerous... It can [and has] lead to wars and terrorism, etc.
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@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@scottalanmiller said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@thanksajdotcom said in What is New Earth:
@JaredBusch said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
@tonyshowoff said in What is New Earth:
@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.
I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.
Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.
Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.
Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.
Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.
So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?
I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.
I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.
All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cultYeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."
But to most American Christians, it is a horrible nasty word and they get offended.
American christians are super easy to offend, especially in the south. It can be loads of fun if you feel like tormenting someone.
If you really want to mess with some of their heads, start comparing Christianity and Islam, and argue some of the logical problems in Christianity (such as the crucifixion and resurrection, and the trinity, especially the trinity) and explain how these ideas work versus in Islam. It makes them uncomfortable, sometimes hostile because of the strangeness. It's a whole thing I don't want to derail the thread about, but as a Muslim I think it can be quite funny.
Especially though if they want to quote any violent aspects of the Qur'an, I can find usually the same things in the Bible, sometimes almost word for word since most of the Qur'an comes from the Bible in some form or another. There's plenty of double back flips trying to explain why if the Qur'an says it, it's bad, but if the Bible says it, well that's different.
Yeah, I argue with people all the time who are "Bible thumpers" that talk about how evil Islam is about how in the Old Testament, their God not only condoned mass genocide, but often was the one who ordered. I find that people who claim to adhere to the Bible the closest often are the ones who know it the least...by the time I was in my late teens, I was taking theology majors to school on many things.
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I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.
I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.
Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.
Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.
Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.
Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.
So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?
I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.
I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.
All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cultYeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."
But to most American Christians, it is a horrible nasty word and they get offended.
American christians are super easy to offend, especially in the south. It can be loads of fun if you feel like tormenting someone.
If you really want to mess with some of their heads, start comparing Christianity and Islam, and argue some of the logical problems in Christianity (such as the crucifixion and resurrection, and the trinity, especially the trinity) and explain how these ideas work versus in Islam. It makes them uncomfortable, sometimes hostile because of the strangeness. It's a whole thing I don't want to derail the thread about, but as a Muslim I think it can be quite funny.
Especially though if they want to quote any violent aspects of the Qur'an, I can find usually the same things in the Bible, sometimes almost word for word since most of the Qur'an comes from the Bible in some form or another. There's plenty of double back flips trying to explain why if the Qur'an says it, it's bad, but if the Bible says it, well that's different.
One easier... just bring up the Council of Nicaea.
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I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.
I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.
Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.
Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.
Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.
Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.
So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?
I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.
I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.
All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cultYeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."
But to most American Christians, it is a horrible nasty word and they get offended.
American christians are super easy to offend, especially in the south. It can be loads of fun if you feel like tormenting someone.
If you really want to mess with some of their heads, start comparing Christianity and Islam, and argue some of the logical problems in Christianity (such as the crucifixion and resurrection, and the trinity, especially the trinity) and explain how these ideas work versus in Islam. It makes them uncomfortable, sometimes hostile because of the strangeness. It's a whole thing I don't want to derail the thread about, but as a Muslim I think it can be quite funny.
Especially though if they want to quote any violent aspects of the Qur'an, I can find usually the same things in the Bible, sometimes almost word for word since most of the Qur'an comes from the Bible in some form or another. There's plenty of double back flips trying to explain why if the Qur'an says it, it's bad, but if the Bible says it, well that's different.
One easier... just bring up the Council of Nicaea.
And how the votes were not 100% for one side or the other, which we'd assume that if it was a divine council certainly it'd be swayed one way or the other.
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@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.
I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.
Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.
Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.
Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.
Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.
So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?
I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.
Thanks, I appreciate the compliment.
Science can't explain where the stuff came from, and has trouble explaining certain processes actually happen. Yet neither can actually explain everything. While I think it was purposely designed this way, I'll never be able to prove it to a skeptic.
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@RojoLoco said in What is New Earth:
I've always practiced a policy of "never discuss science with those who subscribe to any religion". This has saved me immeasurable time over the years.
I've known plenty of atheists with piss poor understanding of science. Of course, if one's religion clouds their ability to reason it doesn't really matter, but you can find a lot of die hard conspiracy theorists and flat earthers who are atheists too. There's one famous flat earth guy, I think his film is called "under the dome", anyway he thinks it's aliens, not God which put us in this dome.
Atheism is not an automatic sign of being reasonable or intelligent.
Who said I was atheist? That's as bad an "ism" as all the rest. I am fervently anti-religion, all of them. I believe in science, not in re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-translated stories from thousands of years ago.
Nobody, I never said you were an atheist. I was merely pointing out lack of a religion doesn't mean they're intelligent, which is what you basically said.
Actually, I said I don't discuss science with religious people. Nor do I discuss it with idiots or otherwise unreasonable people. When not at work, I surround myself with intelligent people.
So what are you defining religious as then? Any faith in anything or organised religion only?
I like to torment my religious friends by calling their religion a cult.
I was actually raised in a cult, so I actually have done this and find it hysterical.
All religions are a cult. That is the definition of the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cultYeah, cult isn't a bad word to someone religious. Christianity based on Christ's teachings is just the "Cult of Christ" for example. Or Islam the "Cult of Mohammed."
But to most American Christians, it is a horrible nasty word and they get offended.
American christians are super easy to offend, especially in the south. It can be loads of fun if you feel like tormenting someone.
If you really want to mess with some of their heads, start comparing Christianity and Islam, and argue some of the logical problems in Christianity (such as the crucifixion and resurrection, and the trinity, especially the trinity) and explain how these ideas work versus in Islam. It makes them uncomfortable, sometimes hostile because of the strangeness. It's a whole thing I don't want to derail the thread about, but as a Muslim I think it can be quite funny.
Especially though if they want to quote any violent aspects of the Qur'an, I can find usually the same things in the Bible, sometimes almost word for word since most of the Qur'an comes from the Bible in some form or another. There's plenty of double back flips trying to explain why if the Qur'an says it, it's bad, but if the Bible says it, well that's different.
One easier... just bring up the Council of Nicaea.
That only works if you are talking to Catholics.
