Backup System For 5 PC SMB
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@BRRABill said:
this client (friend) called me because he was sold on this concept by a company that sells this service. (Datto.) It sounds awesome. It IS awesome. Except apparently to the detriment of everyone involved but Microsoft it's not legal.
Datto, same as Unitrends, App Assure etc. is meant for server backups, not desktop. Server liscencing is very different. We have RDP servers along with loaner laptops that our technicians can give out to users until technicians repair or re-image a desktop (with a department WDS image, not something specific to that user). Having a centralized file server is what allows it to work easily.
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@Jason said:
Also if you fail over from the desktops to something else and then restore the desktop you have to handle the changes made while you restore the backups somehow. Since you have no file server the files on each desktop will be changing.
With these pieces of software (Datto and ShadowPrtoect) the VM continues to do backups. When you are ready with the new BMR machines, it merges the changes and you are back up and running.
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@BRRABill said:
With these pieces of software (Datto and ShadowPrtoect) the VM continues to do backups. When you are ready with the new BMR machines, it merges the changes and you are back up and running.
It's not as seemless as you are making it sound. In theory its nice, but in practice it's not going to go that well.
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BTW: I looked at the pricing for AWS.
$35 a month for standard? What is the business justification for that considering you can buy a PC for $500 that lasts for 3+ years?
I love the concept but don't get the pricing.
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@Jason said:
It's not as seemless as you are making it sound. In theory its nice, but in practice it's not going to go that well.
Agreed.
I would think I'd tell people ... hey, the machine is up for emergencies (server or desktop) and I'll get the real machine up pronto.
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@BRRABill said:
BTW: I looked at the pricing for AWS.
$35 a month for standard? What is the business justification for that considering you can buy a PC for $500 that lasts for 3+ years?
I love the concept but don't get the pricing.
How much does power cost, Cooling, HA, Battery backups, WAN connections etc. Those all go into AWS costs which that $500 does not include.
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@Jason said:
Why not just leave it at this?
Good point.
Though I'd love to be able to spin up the image here and there to be sure it is bootable. Datto does that daily. Apparently that isn't legal.
Also, most SMBs do not have servers just sitting around, and it's not like you can run out to Besy Buy and get one.
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@BRRABill said:
Also, most SMBs do not have servers just sitting around, and it's not like you can run out to Besy Buy and get one.
Very few SMBs don't have servers, if they don't they are more in the SOHO market than SMB, escpially if Best buy is someone you'd buy from.
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@Jason said:
How much does power cost, Cooling, HA, Battery backups, WAN connections etc. Those all go into AWS costs which that $500 does not include.
And you still need a local PC to access it.
I just don;t get it...
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@Jason said:
Very few SMBs don't have servers, if they don't they are more in the SOHO market than SMB, escpially if Best buy is someone you'd buy from.
I forgot server licensing is different with this.
Have to get back to that! LOL.
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@BRRABill said:
@Jason said:
How much does power cost, Cooling, HA, Battery backups, WAN connections etc. Those all go into AWS costs which that $500 does not include.
And you still need a local PC to access it.
I just don;t get it...
That doesn't change Amazon's cost. You could use a low power Thin client for that matter.
Again if these costs are too much, why are we worried about a little down time? Has anyone actually figured up how much down time is costing the company?
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@Jason said:
Also if you fail over from the desktops to something else and then restore the desktop you have to handle the changes made while you restore the backups somehow. Since you have no file server the files on each desktop will be changing.
Yes, that adds a lot of potential complexity. The process can become complicated and lengthy and you might get "trapped" on the DR solution for some time.
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@BRRABill said:
This client (friend) called me because he was sold on this concept by a company that sells this service. (Datto.) It sounds awesome. It IS awesome. Except apparently to the detriment of everyone involved but Microsoft it's not legal.
Did Datto sell this for desktops? That would be extremely surprising. Maybe it was a confused salesman or something?
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@BRRABill said:
BTW: I looked at the pricing for AWS.
$35 a month for standard? What is the business justification for that considering you can buy a PC for $500 that lasts for 3+ years?
I love the concept but don't get the pricing.
VDI is $100/year for licensing alone. This is enterprise class hosting, licensing, storage, DR, backup, etc. all included. It's actually a very good price for VDI. $500 gets you a bargain machine and does not include the cost of maintenance. VDI is super expensive and doing it in an enterprise way even moreso.
Go price out a VDI solution to run yourself, I bet you can't deliver it as an internal solution for much less and definitely not with Amazon's level of expertise.
Think about all of the costs that you are considering for a desktop, backup, VDI hosting, etc. all rolled into one price tag. Those Datto boxes add up quickly for a small shop. This covers all of those pieces.
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@BRRABill said:
Also, most SMBs do not have servers just sitting around, and it's not like you can run out to Besy Buy and get one.
Most do, any home user can have one. A business without one would fall below the home line. Sure, they might not do it, but it doesn't mean that they should. Just because SMBs often do bad things doesn't mean that we should plan poorly. If an SMB wants serious business protection, they only get that by taking what they do seriously.
With the Home Line, I find it very handy to ask business owners why they take their business less seriously and don't think that their business is as important as I feel my stuff at home is.
Puts it in perspective for them a bit. They can't pull that "we're important, we need uptime" attitude when they clearly don't see themselves as even coming up to the "hobby" status of home users.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Most do, any home user can have one.
I meant they don't have a backup server around.
Hence a temporary VM would be helpful.
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Hey ... putting a work in asterisks makes it italics! YAY
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Most do, any home user can have one.
I meant they don't have a backup server around.
Hence a temporary VM would be helpful.
I have backup servers at home.
