What would it take to get your boss to move to office 365?
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Just looked and Postini is still being advertised in the UK for 6 pounds per year, which is around $10 (not $4 - I got my exchange rates muddled). But since it's going, it doesn't really matter. I still wouldn't necessarily give up my 3rd party virus and spam filtering in favour of just using Microsoft.
Quick question: How nicely does on-site Sharepoint integrate with hosted Exchange? Would I be better off migrating to hosted Sharepoint at the same time? We only use Sharepoint Foundation.
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Hosted Sharepoint is awesome and it comes with Lync and Yammer which are really big deal. Hosted Sharepoint is enterprise edition. But it is very expensive so not likely something that would make sense unless you have a greatly expanded use case to pursue.
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I just looked up Postini and here in the US they are already gone.
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Sharepoint is an extra $4 per month and you also get Office Online, so it looks pretty cheap? It could also stop users from using Dropbox or USB sticks to take work home, so that would make the business case. It's just speed that concerns me.
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Speed is quite good. It's huge bandwidth and big servers on Microsoft's end.
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NTG runs almost completely on hosted Sharepoint.
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It's the bandwidth at our end that concerns me.
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Final question (maybe): AD integration with O365 sounds like a pain, but without that how to you easily manage user authentication? How do Outlook and Sharepoint clients login to O365?
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AD integration is a bad term. The word integration is so horribly ambiguous.
Microsoft has an excellent form of "AD Integration" called DirSync that keeps you local AD in sync with Office 365 but does not bind the two together. It is loosely coupled.
This has 99% of the advantages of the binding method that we do not recommend with a fraction of the effort and none if the risks.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I just looked up Postini and here in the US they are already gone.
If you purchased Postini services though a partner, many of those are still running on Postini and not Google Apps. All users that were purchased direct via the Postini website have been migrated to Google Apps. I have 2 clients that have been converted and one not. The one not was purchased through a partner. Google has really delivered a shit product from the end user point of view. There is no portal for users to manage things. They just log in to Gmail to see the spam or wait for the daily email and if you log in to Gmail and mark something not spam it goes to the Gmail inbox and is never delivered to the mail server. The users have to then forward it to themselves.
The Postini pricing was $12 per user per year in the US. When converted to Google Apps, they are letting you keep the price for now, but require you to pay monthly by credit card instead of yearly.
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We used to be a Postini partner years ago and the price, even to us, was $2. And the service was horrible. Worst ever.
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MXLogic is $2.25 / user / month still! Wow
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@scottalanmiller said:
We used to be a Postini partner years ago and the price, even to us, was $2. And the service was horrible. Worst ever.
I believe the price was changed to $1 per user per month billed yearly around the time Google bought them.
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@scottalanmiller Yep we use MXLogic for inbound/outbound filtering. This is just another cost to offload if we moved to O365.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Microsoft has an excellent form of "AD Integration" called DirSync that keeps you local AD in sync with Office 365 but does not bind the two together. It is loosely coupled.
Cheers. Sounds great.
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So do the majority of O365 users ditch third-party filtering solutions?
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@Carnival-Boy I would say that 99% of companies ditch their old service. It is completely duplicate and a driving factor for the switch in the first place (to collapse that cost.) By having two services you make things much more complicated (you give up one throat to choke.)
It would be like buying a new car because you like how the seats feel but not wanting to give up your old car. So you have someone drive the old car towing your new car while you ride in the new one to feel like you have new seats. It’s still the old car doing the driving, just now you get the look and feel of the new one.
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@Nara said:
@Dashrender said:
Do you have a break down that you've done for another SMB that you can share (no names of course).
I could do up an environment-specific one, based on requirements. What level of uptime are you looking for, how many users are there, and how much email is there? Can the existing staff handle a fault-tolerant Exchange environment?
Level of uptime 99.9%, 90 users, how much email, External 1000 per day, Internal 1000 per day. No the existing staff can not handle a fault tolerant Exchange, nor do they want one.
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For mailbagging as @scottalanmiller puts it, we use Appriver, but only on the inbound. This does leave us at some risk on the outbound side.
Correct me if I'm wrong, blacklisting only affects your ability to send email out, not on your ability to receive email?
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@Dashrender said:
For mailbagging as @scottalanmiller puts it, we use Appriver, but only on the inbound. This does leave us at some risk on the outbound side.
Correct me if I'm wrong, blacklisting only affects your ability to send email out, not on your ability to receive email?
Correct. But that can still be pretty major when you can't respond to people.
