Non-IT News Thread
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
Drug cartels aren't an American problem, or even a Mexico problem, they are a Human problem. The need for money and or the addiction created by the drugs is cause for the state of Mexico and Texas (and everywhere else where there is constant murder etc).
Not really. they were created by the American legal system. The war on drugs created the drug cartels. Just as the prohibition era created the organized crime syndicates. There is a reason that drug cartels only exist where they can ship to the US... it's part of the US government's artificially created drug ecosystem. Most of the world has drugs but not cartels and the drugs are not nearly as lucrative. The American legal system has created an inflated market and a need for powerful, dangerous cartels that most of the world has not created. It's a byproduct of the US, not of humanity, drugs or business.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
The only way to fix that is to make it so much more expensive for the drug cartels to operate that they just stop. (would they no) so you also have to create an equitable job market in these area, as well as you have to exterminate the hatred from the community as whole, bloods crypts (whatever it is in Mexico).
Stop making drugs so hard to get and worth so much money and their power evaporates. It's trivial to destroy the cartels. But there is a huge political power in pretending to fight them.
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Easy to get seems very counter-intuitive.
Most people would say they want the yacht and super-sports car.
While they might like the Honda and the dingy, they'd much prefer the more flashy item.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
Easy to get seems very counter-intuitive.
Why? That's how the market works. Flood the market with easy to get product and the price will plummet making it unlikely and unprofitable for a cartel or other entity to bring them into the US.
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
Easy to get seems very counter-intuitive.
Why? That's how the market works. Flood the market with easy to get product and the price will plummet making it unlikely and unprofitable for a cartel or other entity to bring them into the US.
Yup, the issue in the US is that we took things that are essentially free (marijuanna, heroin, cocaine, meth) and forced them to be super expensive. By being expensive, we made massive profits for the successful drug pushers. There is no one to push drugs when the profits aren't huge. Very simple capitalism says that we've treated drug cartels just like we treat doctors and pharmacists, we've taken something that should be cheap and simple and barricaded it and restricted the supply so that the cost shoots up.
It's so obvious, in fact, so basic that it is very hard to excuse the government as not having done it all intentionally. There is no way that they could have expected any other outcome, especially after having done it and observed the pattern before in the 1930s.
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Europe has managed to completely eliminate drug cartels AND lower drug usage all in a single sweep. Make drugs dirt cheap and decriminalized and suddenly it is not "cool" to do them, there is no one making a lot of money to encourage pushing them and no money to support a cartel. The problem, quite literally, just doesn't exist when you don't use the government to make it exist. Switzerland went so far as to make heroin free and almost totally eliminated heroin usage almost overnight and eliminated all heroin related crime quite literally overnight.
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I can't argue with the soundness of the argument, massive supply, reduces the price per volume. Making it legal, and not blocking it at the borders would probably assist.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
I can't argue with the soundness of the argument, massive supply, reduces the price per volume. Making it legal, and not blocking it at the borders would probably assist.
Blocking it at the border is fine, I think. But you have to make it legal internally. For example, make cocaine illegal to import and people will grow it, dirt cheap, at home, in greenhouses. The cartel will make zero money and have no enemy to attack - every customer becomes their enemy. You simply make the market go away. And without rich pushers to get people addicted, most new customers vanish because who tries cocaine for fun?
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
So... this is a thing. Apparently the Texas Nationalist Movement has jumped their membership 400% since 2012.
So they jumped up in membership, they still only represent 0.7% of the states population.
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@brianlittlejohn said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
So... this is a thing. Apparently the Texas Nationalist Movement has jumped their membership 400% since 2012.
So they jumped up in membership, they still only represent 0.7% of the states population.
And yet... nearly everyone that I meet there.
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@brianlittlejohn said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
So... this is a thing. Apparently the Texas Nationalist Movement has jumped their membership 400% since 2012.
So they jumped up in membership, they still only represent 0.7% of the states population.
I'd guess that the percentage of people that want Texas to leave in the rest of the US is far, far higher than .7%.
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So @scottalanmiller would you even go so far as to have the government help in these home farms? For pot and cocaine. Offering seedlings etc so cartels could be stopped?
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@DustinB3403 It's helped in various countries in the rest of the world...and various states that have legalised it from what I've seen from over here?
If they can legalise it, reduce the costs and tax it...it's a win:win - get rid of the dodgy stuff surrounding it/crime it funds/stigma etc...and you get more tax to spend on healthcare/childcare etc..?
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
So @scottalanmiller would you even go so far as to have the government help in these home farms? For pot and cocaine. Offering seedlings etc so cartels could be stopped?
Switzerland did, had the best drug stopping power ever. They made heroine actually free. The government pays for it all and controls access to it to make sure that no one is forced to get it, it is always provided in safe environments, clean needles are requires and always free, locations to use it are provided, etc. The effects are incredibly dramatic. Heroine usage dropped and heroine crime went away. those that used heroine always have access to help and there isn't one penny to be made in producing it.
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@NattNatt said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 It's helped in various countries in the rest of the world...and various states that have legalised it from what I've seen from over here?
If they can legalise it, reduce the costs and tax it...it's a win:win - get rid of the dodgy stuff surrounding it/crime it funds/stigma etc...and you get more tax to spend on healthcare/childcare etc..?
Yup, it reduces the need for healthcare while generating money to cover healthcare. Everyone wins.
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@scottalanmiller and reduces funding for other more sinister stuff.
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@NattNatt said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller and reduces funding for other more sinister stuff.
Reduces crime, reduces the need for police and military.... all things that the government hates reducing, unfortunately.
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@scottalanmiller Not necessarily reduces policing, but in some countries it free's up the police's time/resources to deal with more important things - less time spent chasing kids selling bags of weed = more time/resources to catch murdereds/rapists/child abusers etc
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@NattNatt said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller Not necessarily reduces policing, but in some countries it free's up the police's time/resources to deal with more important things - less time spent chasing kids selling bags of weed = more time/resources to catch murdereds/rapists/child abusers etc
Or you know, just being helpful like they are in most countries.
