Fitness and Weightloss
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It's a fascinating article, and really informational about how we think about averages.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:
Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.
That's not universal. That's one of those "averages" that applies to the median, but is different for different people. The human body varies far more than doctors want to tell you, which is often why they have no idea what is going on with it.
I've seen large and thorough studies about it. There's a lot more to it than I mentioned, but that's the gist.
Yes, but the studies are about the median. That's the problem with medical studies, most come up with averages and present it as "this is how humans are", but it's just how the median human is. There are some really cool studies about how all those studies are wrong and those kinds of findings are fundamentally wrong.
It's just like body temperature. The average human is 98.6, but actual individuals' normal temp varies quite a bit.
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@Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@JaredBusch said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:
I'm just watching calories and am currently down 25lbs.
Awesome! that's all I did for my entire weight loss situation. I added exercise later only because I wanted my muscle pain to go away, and more flexibility.. staying active keeps you from getting hurt just walking. LOL
I added some "exercise" but I want to stress that it is mostly "reducing sedentary state" rather than "exercising."
Without restricting myself to some insane low calorie count that is not realistically sustainable, I could not lose weight even slowly with my lifestyle.
I eat healthier now than I ever have.
I have added ~1 hour morning and evening of walking on the treadmill at a pace enough to raise my heart-rate decently. I am hoping tha twill be enough of a difference.
I don't understand what's unrealistic about a lower calorie count? Clearly I did it - and Scott has done it. Does it mean learning to eat less? yep - does it mean retraining your body on how much food you really need to live - again, yep.
Something I learned after joining the gym - drinking water really helps be less hungry. Being fully hydrated leads to eating less. When on program (i.e. not being lazy) I drink around 100 oz of water a day.
Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.
Also, a low calorie intake is very bad and as JB said, not realistically sustainable.
We're not talking 1000 cals a day here, assuming he had a horrible diet around 3000 cals a day, drop it to 2000 or 1500, hell, drop it to 2500 and there should be a difference.
I was extreme, I dropped from likely (never actually calculated) 2500/day to under 1500/day... and as I said, I dropped 40 lbs in under 4 months.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:
Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.
That's not universal. That's one of those "averages" that applies to the median, but is different for different people. The human body varies far more than doctors want to tell you, which is often why they have no idea what is going on with it.
I've seen large and thorough studies about it. There's a lot more to it than I mentioned, but that's the gist.
Yes, but the studies are about the median. That's the problem with medical studies, most come up with averages and present it as "this is how humans are", but it's just how the median human is. There are some really cool studies about how all those studies are wrong and those kinds of findings are fundamentally wrong.
It's just like body temperature. The average human is 98.6, but actual individuals' normal temp varies quite a bit.
**Edit - Had I kept reading the posts, I would have seen Scott posted the link to the article I mention below.
Right - wasn't there a story posted on ML sometime in the last year about pilots and their seats in planes? they used an average height - but later studies found that some ridiculously low number were actually that 'average' height? So they changed the seats, and many things were improved.
I'm guessing the same applies to all of these medical studies.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:
Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.
That's not universal. That's one of those "averages" that applies to the median, but is different for different people. The human body varies far more than doctors want to tell you, which is often why they have no idea what is going on with it.
I've seen large and thorough studies about it. There's a lot more to it than I mentioned, but that's the gist.
Yes, but the studies are about the median. That's the problem with medical studies, most come up with averages and present it as "this is how humans are", but it's just how the median human is. There are some really cool studies about how all those studies are wrong and those kinds of findings are fundamentally wrong.
It's just like body temperature. The average human is 98.6, but actual individuals' normal temp varies quite a bit.
My average body temp is 97.6, well below the normal..
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@Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:
Because when the calorie intake you are used to quickly drops, your body reacts defensively and only causes more problems, even if not immediately noticible.
That's not universal. That's one of those "averages" that applies to the median, but is different for different people. The human body varies far more than doctors want to tell you, which is often why they have no idea what is going on with it.
I've seen large and thorough studies about it. There's a lot more to it than I mentioned, but that's the gist.
Yes, but the studies are about the median. That's the problem with medical studies, most come up with averages and present it as "this is how humans are", but it's just how the median human is. There are some really cool studies about how all those studies are wrong and those kinds of findings are fundamentally wrong.
It's just like body temperature. The average human is 98.6, but actual individuals' normal temp varies quite a bit.
My average body temp is 97.6, well below the normal..
that's really close to mine. I'm around 97.7. It's partially why I get warm so easily and need to sleep so cold.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:
It's a fascinating article, and really informational about how we think about averages.
Averages have nothing to do with it. Nobody is talking about averages in all humans.
We're talking about only over weight and obese humans only.
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Here's one, there are much better and newer ones but I don't have time to search now what I've done years ago.
https://escholarship.org/uc/item/2811g3r3#main
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@Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:
Here's one, there are much better and newer ones but I don't have time to search now what I've done years ago.
https://escholarship.org/uc/item/2811g3r3#main
The problem here is diet versus diet - are you going on a diet - a temporary change of what you eat to loose weight, OR are you changing what you eat for life to have a lasting effect.
Now I'll put it out there without any science to back me up, that I believe that a huge part of our issue is the crap we eat today - it's loaded with chemicals, etc. If we moved back to more natural foods and less processed flours, sugars, etc, likely we'd be better off health wise all the way around.
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@Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:
Now I'll put it out there without any science to back me up, that I believe that a huge part of our issue is the crap we eat today - it's loaded with chemicals, etc. If we moved back to more natural foods and less processed flours, sugars, etc, likely we'd be better off health wise all the way around.
There is tons of science that backs that up. The problem is it's swept under the rug and not well known.
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@Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:
Now I'll put it out there without any science to back me up, that I believe that a huge part of our issue is the crap we eat today - it's loaded with chemicals, etc. If we moved back to more natural foods and less processed flours, sugars, etc, likely we'd be better off health wise all the way around.
Eating in Europe or LATAM, you feel the benefits almost immediately. And I know people with things like gluten allergies in the US that can suddenly eat gluten in other places.
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@Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:
Now I'll put it out there without any science to back me up, that I believe that a huge part of our issue is the crap we eat today - it's loaded with chemicals, etc. If we moved back to more natural foods and less processed flours, sugars, etc, likely we'd be better off health wise all the way around.
There is tons of science that backs that up. The problem is it's swept under the rug and not well known.
No real need for science, pretty basic common sense tells us as much
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So combine bad for us food with simply eating to much food (way more than our bodies need) definitely lead us to bad health.
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@Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:
So combine bad for us food with simply eating to much food (way more than our bodies need) definitely lead us to bad health.
Exercise and sleep is also a big factor.
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@Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:
So combine bad for us food with simply eating to much food (way more than our bodies need) definitely lead us to bad health.
Exercise and sleep is also a big factor.
I'm failing on the sleep part currently.
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@Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:
So combine bad for us food with simply eating to much food (way more than our bodies need) definitely lead us to bad health.
Exercise and sleep is also a big factor.
I should add that I did a lot to fix my sleep patterns this past year. Getting more sleep now. But still struggle to simply stay asleep over six hours.
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@Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:
So combine bad for us food with simply eating to much food (way more than our bodies need) definitely lead us to bad health.
Exercise and sleep is also a big factor.
I'm failing on the sleep part currently.
Me too. My body wants to be asleep 9-5 and awake all night. It's been tough to reverse that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Obsolesce said in Fitness and Weightloss:
@Dashrender said in Fitness and Weightloss:
So combine bad for us food with simply eating to much food (way more than our bodies need) definitely lead us to bad health.
Exercise and sleep is also a big factor.
I should add that I did a lot to fix my sleep patterns this past year. Getting more sleep now. But still struggle to simply stay asleep over six hours.
I'm kinda in the same boat most days...
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My sleep isn't so great either. Exercise has helped with that in the past even with getting up earlier, but I have seen the gym for a few months now
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I'm fascinated by the number of people who report issues with sleep these days. I've never had trouble sleeping and my body has always demanded 8-9 hours nightly. For those of you who struggle with it, have you ever seen a physician about it? Do you have any ideas as to why it's tough for you and things you think would help?
