Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup
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@black3dynamite said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
I actually do something like that for my users but we are using Nextcloud instead.
We are on Linux. So we "something similar", but between NextCloud instead of ODfB, and Fedora 28 Cinnamon instead of Windows 10... not all that similar
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@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
So you plan to have a backup tool that will take a backup of the ODfB? In that case, seems reasonable.
I was thinking of replacing the backup tool and just use ODFB
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@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@black3dynamite said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
I actually do something like that for my users but we are using Nextcloud instead.
We are on Linux. So we "something similar", but between NextCloud instead of ODfB, and Fedora 28 Cinnamon instead of Windows 10... not all that similar
Do you create symbolic links for folders like Desktop and Documents and have them pointing to the same folders within Nextcloud folder?
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@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
could be an option to set the redirection & configuration via GPO
Getting files TO ODfB is relatively easy. Protecting them on there, is the pain. Totally doable, just a pain.
I am curious to know about the protecting part, does it mean someone lost files from ODFB?
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@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
could be an option to set the redirection & configuration via GPO
Getting files TO ODfB is relatively easy. Protecting them on there, is the pain. Totally doable, just a pain.
I am curious to know about the protecting part, does it mean someone lost files from ODFB?
Well I have, for one
But I'm not saying ODfB is scary, just that it doesn't have traditional backups taken of it unless you use a third party product that does that. So think of it like NextCloud, you'd want to take backups of your NextCloud server, you'll want to take them of ODfB, too.
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@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
could be an option to set the redirection & configuration via GPO
Getting files TO ODfB is relatively easy. Protecting them on there, is the pain. Totally doable, just a pain.
I am curious to know about the protecting part, does it mean someone lost files from ODFB?
Well I have, for one
But I'm not saying ODfB is scary, just that it doesn't have traditional backups taken of it unless you use a third party product that does that. So think of it like NextCloud, you'd want to take backups of your NextCloud server, you'll want to take them of ODfB, too.
Maybe I should think of stopping the endpoint backup and think of having ODFB and then use something like Veeam backup for O365?
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@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
could be an option to set the redirection & configuration via GPO
Getting files TO ODfB is relatively easy. Protecting them on there, is the pain. Totally doable, just a pain.
I am curious to know about the protecting part, does it mean someone lost files from ODFB?
Well I have, for one
But I'm not saying ODfB is scary, just that it doesn't have traditional backups taken of it unless you use a third party product that does that. So think of it like NextCloud, you'd want to take backups of your NextCloud server, you'll want to take them of ODfB, too.
Maybe I should think of stopping the endpoint backup and think of having ODFB and then use something like Veeam backup for O365?
Yes, that's not a bad idea.
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@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
could be an option to set the redirection & configuration via GPO
Getting files TO ODfB is relatively easy. Protecting them on there, is the pain. Totally doable, just a pain.
I am curious to know about the protecting part, does it mean someone lost files from ODFB?
Well I have, for one
But I'm not saying ODfB is scary, just that it doesn't have traditional backups taken of it unless you use a third party product that does that. So think of it like NextCloud, you'd want to take backups of your NextCloud server, you'll want to take them of ODfB, too.
Maybe I should think of stopping the endpoint backup and think of having ODFB and then use something like Veeam backup for O365?
Yes, that's not a bad idea.
We do have our mail backup on Barracuda Mail archiver, so I need to find something specific to SharePoint & ODFB only
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@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
could be an option to set the redirection & configuration via GPO
Getting files TO ODfB is relatively easy. Protecting them on there, is the pain. Totally doable, just a pain.
I am curious to know about the protecting part, does it mean someone lost files from ODFB?
Well I have, for one
But I'm not saying ODfB is scary, just that it doesn't have traditional backups taken of it unless you use a third party product that does that. So think of it like NextCloud, you'd want to take backups of your NextCloud server, you'll want to take them of ODfB, too.
Maybe I should think of stopping the endpoint backup and think of having ODFB and then use something like Veeam backup for O365?
Yes, that's not a bad idea.
We do have our mail backup on Barracuda Mail archiver, so I need to find something specific to SharePoint & ODFB only
Anyone using any products for ODFB backup
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Surely this can be done through the API?
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Well I see what you're looking to do, OneDrive wasn't meant to be a redirect for desktop and mydocs.
You might be able to find a backup solution that can be centrally manage and point backups for the end users to their individual onedrive folders.
I'm not sure of any off hand that can do this for certain though. . UrBackup is pretty flexible, and it might work. . .
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@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@ambarishrh said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
could be an option to set the redirection & configuration via GPO
Getting files TO ODfB is relatively easy. Protecting them on there, is the pain. Totally doable, just a pain.
I am curious to know about the protecting part, does it mean someone lost files from ODFB?
Well I have, for one
But I'm not saying ODfB is scary, just that it doesn't have traditional backups taken of it unless you use a third party product that does that. So think of it like NextCloud, you'd want to take backups of your NextCloud server, you'll want to take them of ODfB, too.
Odfb has version control now, as well as sever tiers of recycle bin and ransom ware protection. I'm not really sure what a 4th+ copy of Odfb data gives you.
I'm sure there are cases for it, but not typically as with your own Nextcloud. There, is only one copy of data and no version control or geo redundancy.
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If you want to do real backups of Odfb, you need a good 3rd party software like Veeam Odfb backup or something like that.
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@dustinb3403 said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
Well I see what you're looking to do, OneDrive wasn't meant to be a redirect for desktop and mydocs.
Actually, OD is designed for it. Windows even tells you that you cannot undo moving your profile folders to the OD foler when you try to do it. But then yes, it keeps it synced on all devices, etc.
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@obsolesce said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
I'm sure there are cases for it, but not typically as with your own Nextcloud. There, is only one copy of data and no version control or geo redundancy.
NextCloud has version control. And as many copies and as much geo-redundancy as you desire.
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@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@obsolesce said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
I'm sure there are cases for it, but not typically as with your own Nextcloud. There, is only one copy of data and no version control or geo redundancy.
NextCloud has version control. And as many copies and as much geo-redundancy as you desire.
But it doesn't include this geo-redundancy with a build it yourself approach. (Usually)
Sure eif you rented your servers around the globe it could.
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@dustinb3403 said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@obsolesce said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
I'm sure there are cases for it, but not typically as with your own Nextcloud. There, is only one copy of data and no version control or geo redundancy.
NextCloud has version control. And as many copies and as much geo-redundancy as you desire.
But it doesn't include this geo-redundancy with a build it yourself approach. (Usually)
It does every time you choose it.
It's like saying "deploying your own servers don't have passwords." Of course they always do, if you set the password. You can't use "people decide not to do it" for a deploy it yourself solution as if it is lacking it. Everyone chooses how to deploy, everyone has the option.
It would be like saying that most cars you drive yourself can't drive to the beach, but in reality you just meant that most people drive to the grocery store rather than the beach. It's not that the car doesn't go where you want, it's that you chose not to go there with it. Very different things.
ODfB has the amount of georedundancy and protections that it comes with, no more, no less. It has a set amount. NextCloud has as much, or as little, of both as the deployer desires. NextCloud has more protection, optionally, than ODfB.
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@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@dustinb3403 said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@scottalanmiller said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
@obsolesce said in Evaluating OneDrive for Business to replace traditional end point backup:
I'm sure there are cases for it, but not typically as with your own Nextcloud. There, is only one copy of data and no version control or geo redundancy.
NextCloud has version control. And as many copies and as much geo-redundancy as you desire.
But it doesn't include this geo-redundancy with a build it yourself approach. (Usually)
It does every time you choose it.
It's like saying "deploying your own servers don't have passwords." Of course they always do, if you set the password. You can't use "people decide not to do it" for a deploy it yourself solution as if it is lacking it. Everyone chooses how to deploy, everyone has the option.
It would be like saying that most cars you drive yourself can't drive to the beach, but in reality you just meant that most people drive to the grocery store rather than the beach. It's not that the car doesn't go where you want, it's that you chose not to go there with it. Very different things.
ODfB has the amount of georedundancy and protections that it comes with, no more, no less. It has a set amount. NextCloud has as much, or as little, of both as the deployer desires. NextCloud has more protection, optionally, than ODfB.
This is true only to a certain degree. It seems like an exaggeration in my perspesctive. You can make it geo-redundand using external piece of software, of course… like 99% of the software out there.
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Scott's argument is that anyone can choose to rent hundreds of servers around the globe to create this geo-redundancy.
The question is, how many people would or can afford that?
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Seems like it'd cost a lot more money to implement NC to be the same as what you get by default with OD.
