XenServer 7.3 Release
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@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@momurda said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
Most of the things they removed are meh, but Storage Motion, come on.
Yeah, that's just ridiculous. These are key features that everyone has for free. If you don't have stuff like this, you aren't even trying today.
And by everyone - you now mean Hyper-V and KVM - who, if anyone, else?
The other two players I know of (ESXi and XS) don't have it free.
Well if you look at hypervisors, rather than resulting products, then all the "in the game" players have it... KVM, Xen, and Hyper-V. Only ESXi lacks it, and we don't consider them a viable short lister.
And how viable is Xen for the SMB to use?
You can manage it through libvirt just like KVM.
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I remembered reading about those who are XenApp or XenDesktop customers are also entitled to have XenServer. Now I wasn’t able to confirm if it’s standard or enterprise version.
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@black3dynamite said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
I remembered reading about those who are XenApp or XenDesktop customers are also entitled to have XenServer. Now I wasn’t able to confirm if it’s standard or enterprise version.
Or maybe it was Free. Heaven only knows. But they are just paying for it already anyway. It's all just silly.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@momurda said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
Most of the things they removed are meh, but Storage Motion, come on.
Yeah, that's just ridiculous. These are key features that everyone has for free. If you don't have stuff like this, you aren't even trying today.
And by everyone - you now mean Hyper-V and KVM - who, if anyone, else?
The other two players I know of (ESXi and XS) don't have it free.
Well if you look at hypervisors, rather than resulting products, then all the "in the game" players have it... KVM, Xen, and Hyper-V. Only ESXi lacks it, and we don't consider them a viable short lister.
And how viable is Xen for the SMB to use?
Totally viable, what's the concern? It's free, it's simple last I looked. Just install openSuse Leap and away you go. There is even a GUI for deploying it.
Then why the need for XS?
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@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@momurda said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
Most of the things they removed are meh, but Storage Motion, come on.
Yeah, that's just ridiculous. These are key features that everyone has for free. If you don't have stuff like this, you aren't even trying today.
And by everyone - you now mean Hyper-V and KVM - who, if anyone, else?
The other two players I know of (ESXi and XS) don't have it free.
Well if you look at hypervisors, rather than resulting products, then all the "in the game" players have it... KVM, Xen, and Hyper-V. Only ESXi lacks it, and we don't consider them a viable short lister.
And how viable is Xen for the SMB to use?
Totally viable, what's the concern? It's free, it's simple last I looked. Just install openSuse Leap and away you go. There is even a GUI for deploying it.
Then why the need for XS?
@Dashrender you're missing that XenServer has XAPI, which literally turns Xen into XenServer.
Without XAPI tool set, you're just operating Xen, on CentOS, Ubuntu so on and so on. It's the tool set that has the value. Not the provider of the tool set.
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@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@momurda said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
Most of the things they removed are meh, but Storage Motion, come on.
Yeah, that's just ridiculous. These are key features that everyone has for free. If you don't have stuff like this, you aren't even trying today.
And by everyone - you now mean Hyper-V and KVM - who, if anyone, else?
The other two players I know of (ESXi and XS) don't have it free.
Well if you look at hypervisors, rather than resulting products, then all the "in the game" players have it... KVM, Xen, and Hyper-V. Only ESXi lacks it, and we don't consider them a viable short lister.
And how viable is Xen for the SMB to use?
Totally viable, what's the concern? It's free, it's simple last I looked. Just install openSuse Leap and away you go. There is even a GUI for deploying it.
Then why the need for XS?
There is no need for it. Who said we needed it?
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@dustinb3403 said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@momurda said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
Most of the things they removed are meh, but Storage Motion, come on.
Yeah, that's just ridiculous. These are key features that everyone has for free. If you don't have stuff like this, you aren't even trying today.
And by everyone - you now mean Hyper-V and KVM - who, if anyone, else?
The other two players I know of (ESXi and XS) don't have it free.
Well if you look at hypervisors, rather than resulting products, then all the "in the game" players have it... KVM, Xen, and Hyper-V. Only ESXi lacks it, and we don't consider them a viable short lister.
And how viable is Xen for the SMB to use?
Totally viable, what's the concern? It's free, it's simple last I looked. Just install openSuse Leap and away you go. There is even a GUI for deploying it.
Then why the need for XS?
@Dashrender you're missing that XenServer has XAPI, which literally turns Xen into XenServer.
Without XAPI tool set, you're just operating Xen, on CentOS, Ubuntu so on and so on. It's the tool set that has the value. Not the provider of the tool set.
Is it? What good does XAPI really do? Other than enable XO, XAPI is pretty useless to the end users.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dustinb3403 said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@momurda said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
Most of the things they removed are meh, but Storage Motion, come on.
Yeah, that's just ridiculous. These are key features that everyone has for free. If you don't have stuff like this, you aren't even trying today.
And by everyone - you now mean Hyper-V and KVM - who, if anyone, else?
The other two players I know of (ESXi and XS) don't have it free.
Well if you look at hypervisors, rather than resulting products, then all the "in the game" players have it... KVM, Xen, and Hyper-V. Only ESXi lacks it, and we don't consider them a viable short lister.
And how viable is Xen for the SMB to use?
Totally viable, what's the concern? It's free, it's simple last I looked. Just install openSuse Leap and away you go. There is even a GUI for deploying it.
Then why the need for XS?
@Dashrender you're missing that XenServer has XAPI, which literally turns Xen into XenServer.
Without XAPI tool set, you're just operating Xen, on CentOS, Ubuntu so on and so on. It's the tool set that has the value. Not the provider of the tool set.
Is it? What good does XAPI really do? Other than enable XO, XAPI is pretty useless to the end users.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dustinb3403 said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@momurda said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
Most of the things they removed are meh, but Storage Motion, come on.
Yeah, that's just ridiculous. These are key features that everyone has for free. If you don't have stuff like this, you aren't even trying today.
And by everyone - you now mean Hyper-V and KVM - who, if anyone, else?
The other two players I know of (ESXi and XS) don't have it free.
Well if you look at hypervisors, rather than resulting products, then all the "in the game" players have it... KVM, Xen, and Hyper-V. Only ESXi lacks it, and we don't consider them a viable short lister.
And how viable is Xen for the SMB to use?
Totally viable, what's the concern? It's free, it's simple last I looked. Just install openSuse Leap and away you go. There is even a GUI for deploying it.
Then why the need for XS?
@Dashrender you're missing that XenServer has XAPI, which literally turns Xen into XenServer.
Without XAPI tool set, you're just operating Xen, on CentOS, Ubuntu so on and so on. It's the tool set that has the value. Not the provider of the tool set.
Is it? What good does XAPI really do? Other than enable XO, XAPI is pretty useless to the end users.
Then why did XS have value at all? Why didn't people just keep using Xen and oVirt, etc?
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And they still only support ext3 and vhd.
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@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
Then why did XS have value at all? Why didn't people just keep using Xen and oVirt, etc?
Why do people talk about Citrix like it's the best thing since sliced bread?
There's always been a "ZFS" cult like following when it comes to Citrix, why...who knows!
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@fateknollogee said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
Then why did XS have value at all? Why didn't people just keep using Xen and oVirt, etc?
Why do people talk about Citrix like it's the best thing since sliced bread?
There's always been a "ZFS" cult like following when it comes to Citrix, why...who knows!
Yeah, they are a weird company. XenApp isn't terrible but... meh.
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@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dustinb3403 said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@momurda said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
Most of the things they removed are meh, but Storage Motion, come on.
Yeah, that's just ridiculous. These are key features that everyone has for free. If you don't have stuff like this, you aren't even trying today.
And by everyone - you now mean Hyper-V and KVM - who, if anyone, else?
The other two players I know of (ESXi and XS) don't have it free.
Well if you look at hypervisors, rather than resulting products, then all the "in the game" players have it... KVM, Xen, and Hyper-V. Only ESXi lacks it, and we don't consider them a viable short lister.
And how viable is Xen for the SMB to use?
Totally viable, what's the concern? It's free, it's simple last I looked. Just install openSuse Leap and away you go. There is even a GUI for deploying it.
Then why the need for XS?
@Dashrender you're missing that XenServer has XAPI, which literally turns Xen into XenServer.
Without XAPI tool set, you're just operating Xen, on CentOS, Ubuntu so on and so on. It's the tool set that has the value. Not the provider of the tool set.
Is it? What good does XAPI really do? Other than enable XO, XAPI is pretty useless to the end users.
Then why did XS have value at all? Why didn't people just keep using Xen and oVirt, etc?
Becaue the TINIEST bit of "easier" or "has an interface on Windows" or "isn't officially Linux" is all it takes for the emotional responses to kick in.
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/sigh
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I see a big coming back of VMware in the SMB, maybe from deluded cloud customers (lift and shift burned people, mainly).
It's IMHO the obvious choice for non-Linux people.
It's extremely reliable, powerful, has an incredible ecosystem.
That 600€ of essential license are blessed.
I'm a Linux guy and I've many KVM hosts in home lab and in the field, but the VMware GUI/CLI are doing very well in the latest release. And there is also the "Veeam factor": 2/3 of KVM threads are about "how to backup KVM guest".Yes, I've always been again "that closed shit", but VMware has a very nice products that is starting to be usable again.
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@francesco-provino said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
I see a big coming back of VMware in the SMB, maybe from deluded cloud customers (lift and shift burned people, mainly).
I doubt it, it just keeps moving more and more away from the needs of the SMB.
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@francesco-provino said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
It's extremely reliable, powerful, has an incredible ecosystem.
That 600€ of essential license are blessed.Except... at that price it's ridiculous. Maybe in Europe that's seen as a deal. In the US, that's pure insanity. SMBs can't throw around that kind of money. And it doesn't come with ANY support, and it isn't powerful at that price, it's actually quite pathetic. For half that cost, you can hire someone to install something more powerful.
Underpowered, insanely expensive.... where's the selling point relative to the market?
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@dashrender said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
/sigh
XS was always a crippled Xen product, but with some simple options. But once it stops being as powerful or as simple, or starts to have a questionable future, the scales tip.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
@francesco-provino said in XenServer 7.3 Release:
It's extremely reliable, powerful, has an incredible ecosystem.
That 600€ of essential license are blessed.Except... at that price it's ridiculous. Maybe in Europe that's seen as a deal. In the US, that's pure insanity. SMBs can't throw around that kind of money. And it doesn't come with ANY support, and it isn't powerful at that price, it's actually quite pathetic. For half that cost, you can hire someone to install something more powerful.
Underpowered, insanely expensive.... where's the selling point relative to the market?
Where can you hire a sysadmin to install a KVM environment in ONE DAY that has centralized web-based management with advanced automation tools, backup API, stateless installation that fit an usb (no need for endurance on a BOSS card / additional stoarge array) and easy to manage networking across vlans (openvswitch/Linux bridges, I've been there) for 300€/$?
