Windows 10 unClean Shutdown



  • So - My laptop decided to go Borked this morning. I'm still trying to see what I can do with it, but as of right now, It's either the MoBo or....

    But The drive seems fine,.. however it's unclean. So without having the ability of booting and then doing a clean shutdown, is there anyway to perform that task from Linux? Or do I need to get back to the laptop and get it working to perform that clean shutdown?

    In seeing that it's not shut down correctly, maybe the system is stuck in a hibernate state - and once released, it'll work again? Hmm.. checking.



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  • Yeah - many tools don't like to touch HDs pulled from Windows systems that aren't cleanly shut down. If you don't care about the data on it, just format it and then run your tools.

    If you do care about data recovery, definitely try going back to the original laptop and getting a clean shutdown. I normally do this by pulling all power (wall and battery) then doing a clean boot. The system will typically say it sees a hibernation file and ask to use or delete. Deleting of course will cause you to loose any unsaved data, but normally does allow you back into the system.



  • @Dashrender said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    Yeah - many tools don't like to touch HDs pulled from Windows systems that aren't cleanly shut down.

    I have never experienced this. In my experience, if the drive spins, data is visible when the drive is plugged into a USB adapter or some such on another machine.

    That would suck if every crashed system (non-encrypted obviously) was unreadable.



  • @Dashrender said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    Yeah - many tools don't like to touch HDs pulled from Windows systems that aren't cleanly shut down. If you don't care about the data on it, just format it and then run your tools.

    If you do care about data recovery, definitely try going back to the original laptop and getting a clean shutdown. I normally do this by pulling all power (wall and battery) then doing a clean boot. The system will typically say it sees a hibernation file and ask to use or delete. Deleting of course will cause you to loose any unsaved data, but normally does allow you back into the system.

    That is where I am now... Sadly,.. the laptop won't boot. To remove the battery I have to remove 16 screws,..

    I have found two momentary push buttons on the MoBo as well. so performing a cycle on them also. Thus far, no luck on clearing it. hard Drive is removed currently. so last is the MoBo.

    I know some one with this same unit - or had it. so push off the cliff, I maybe able to cycle it through his.



  • @JaredBusch said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    @Dashrender said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    Yeah - many tools don't like to touch HDs pulled from Windows systems that aren't cleanly shut down.

    I have never experienced this. In my experience, if the drive spins, data is visible when the drive is plugged into a USB adapter or some such on another machine.

    That would suck if every crashed system (non-encrypted obviously) was unreadable.

    Yea.. Sadly my external drive cable is borked too..



  • @Dashrender said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    Yeah - many tools don't like to touch HDs pulled from Windows systems that aren't cleanly shut down. If you don't care about the data on it, just format it and then run your tools.

    If you do care about data recovery, definitely try going back to the original laptop and getting a clean shutdown. I normally do this by pulling all power (wall and battery) then doing a clean boot. The system will typically say it sees a hibernation file and ask to use or delete. Deleting of course will cause you to loose any unsaved data, but normally does allow you back into the system.

    I've only seen this behavior when the drive was corrupted. You can still manage to pull some stuff off of it via a recovery tool or *nix but Windows doesn't like it.



  • You can reset the unclean flag from within Linux... Sadly, I can't remember what the command is, but I've used it a few times.

    Google says "ntfsfix", but I'm not sure that's it.



  • I'm not saying you can't use the tools, only that they advise against it while the drive is in an unclean state.

    Don't read in more than I type. 🙂



  • @Dashrender said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    I'm not saying you can't use the tools, only that they advise against it while the drive is in an unclean state.

    Don't read in more than I type. 🙂

    The one I'm thinking of actually works and fixes the problem and doesn't corrupt data... hopefully.



  • @dafyre said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    @Dashrender said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    I'm not saying you can't use the tools, only that they advise against it while the drive is in an unclean state.

    Don't read in more than I type. 🙂

    The one I'm thinking of actually works and fixes the problem and doesn't corrupt data... hopefully.

    Right, yours just changes a flag maybe just a single bit on the drive

    Spinrite for example will complain when you try to have it scan an unclean drive.



  • If nothing else, just boot the install CD from another computer and chkdsk from the command prompt. 😃



  • wow that was a badly messed up post from a mobile (on android) post.



  • I won't know until tomorrow how fairs my data,.. however in the mean time, I guess I"m in the market for a new laptop. This one didn't make two years,.. and it's hardly traveled... so no harsh bumping.

    So I will start looking..

    Lenovo?

    Surface?



  • @Dashrender said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    wow that was a badly messed up post from a mobile (on android) post.

    Augh?



  • @gjacobse said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    I won't know until tomorrow how fairs my data,.. however in the mean time, I guess I"m in the market for a new laptop. This one didn't make two years,.. and it's hardly traveled... so no harsh bumping.

    So I will start looking..

    Lenovo?

    Surface?

    Surely you jest, ha ha... I'm fond of Acer.



  • @dafyre said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    @gjacobse said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    I won't know until tomorrow how fairs my data,.. however in the mean time, I guess I"m in the market for a new laptop. This one didn't make two years,.. and it's hardly traveled... so no harsh bumping.

    So I will start looking..

    Lenovo?

    Surface?

    Surely you jest, ha ha... I'm fond of Acer.

    Yea,.. I do jest. the Surface seems like a 'good idea' but done badly. Not going there. Unless someone wants to just outright give me one.

    This was an ACER the 2 n 1 which lasted 23 months. (Warranty expired Feb 2016).

    I would go either ACER, ASUS or Dell...



  • @gjacobse said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    I won't know until tomorrow how fairs my data,.. however in the mean time, I guess I"m in the market for a new laptop. This one didn't make two years,.. and it's hardly traveled... so no harsh bumping.

    So I will start looking..

    Lenovo?

    Surface?

    I know a company that should probably get rid of their surfaces...



  • Acer isn't bad. I've had a few and they have help up okay. Don't think about them too much anymore. Like Toshiba they seem to have faded from popularity.



  • @StrongBad said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    Acer isn't bad. I've had a few and they have help up okay. Don't think about them too much anymore. Like Toshiba they seem to have faded from popularity.

    Not for this guy. My laptop is coming up on 2 years old, and still runs like a champ... I just hope it stays that way, lol.



  • I have a Dell that is I don't know how many years old... running fine.

    And a EEE-PC that is still running as well. I'm considering dropping a 120SSD in it to move to linux as it was / is WinXP.



  • @gjacobse said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    I won't know until tomorrow how fairs my data,.. however in the mean time, I guess I"m in the market for a new laptop. This one didn't make two years,.. and it's hardly traveled... so no harsh bumping.

    So I will start looking..

    Lenovo?

    Surface?

    Did you seriously just mention Lenovo and still have a job with NTG?

    *edit
    OK now I see with the surface mentioned also, you must be kidding.



  • @Dashrender said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    @gjacobse said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    I won't know until tomorrow how fairs my data,.. however in the mean time, I guess I"m in the market for a new laptop. This one didn't make two years,.. and it's hardly traveled... so no harsh bumping.

    So I will start looking..

    Lenovo?

    Surface?

    Did you seriously just mention Lenovo and still have a job with NTG?

    *edit
    OK now I see with the surface mentioned also, you must be kidding.

    oh he better be



  • @Minion-Queen said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    @Dashrender said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    @gjacobse said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    I won't know until tomorrow how fairs my data,.. however in the mean time, I guess I"m in the market for a new laptop. This one didn't make two years,.. and it's hardly traveled... so no harsh bumping.

    So I will start looking..

    Lenovo?

    Surface?

    Did you seriously just mention Lenovo and still have a job with NTG?

    *edit
    OK now I see with the surface mentioned also, you must be kidding.

    oh he better be

    LOL - nice..



  • I'll go back to Dell before I get a Surface...



  • First Consideration:

    ASUS ZenBook UX305FA



  • Second Consideration

    Inspiron 15 5000 Touch



  • @gjacobse said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    First Consideration:

    ASUS ZenBook UX305FA

    I will never own another Zenbook unless it's given to me.

    My wife had one, 1 year and a few days - it started just not powering on. Unscrew the bottom, pull the the battery, replace it, it would work.. eventually that stopped working. Nope.. I'm done with them.

    Granted - it was probably a gen 1 problem.. but I'll spend my money elsewhere.



  • @Dashrender said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    @gjacobse said in Windows 10 unClean Shutdown:

    First Consideration:

    ASUS ZenBook UX305FA

    I will never own another Zenbook unless it's given to me.

    My wife had one, 1 year and a few days - it started just not powering on. Unscrew the bottom, pull the the battery, replace it, it would work.. eventually that stopped working. Nope.. I'm done with them.

    Granted - it was probably a gen 1 problem.. but I'll spend my money elsewhere.

    Noted-...

    Thank you.



  • Sadly booting the system on another similar laptop didn't resolve the clean shutdown. And when I try to boot on a different computer, I get a Partition Table error.

    So mounted as Read Only and am in the process of moving the user profile(s) to an external drive.

    sudo mount -o remount,ro /dev/sdb1   /media/username/Ubuntu
    

    Is what I had to use.