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@dustinb3403 said in I can't even:
Robert5205 Dec 6, 2017 at 9:55 AM
StorageNinja wrote:
Kevin, that is my understanding from Microsoft audits. They never cared about powered off VMs...I've asked about this specifically and been told they need to be licensed. I would love to be wrong on this. I'd suddenly have twice as many licenses available.
But, given the two options, which one benefits MS more? I think that's going to be the one that applies.
On a side note, a physical server with WS installed still requires a license to be a licensed installation, even if it's turned off. I can't see the rationale for treating a virtual server differently.
Yeah, he lies about everything. He's a crook and will hurt anyone in any way he can. I have no idea why SW defends him, he's a sack of something stinky. He's actually moved into full on evil territory - like he literally hates the community members.
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@dustinb3403 said in I can't even:
On a side note, a physical server with WS installed still requires a license to be a licensed installation, even if it's turned off. I can't see the rationale for treating a virtual server differently.
LOL, except it doesn't. Never has. This guy will say anything, no matter how blatantly untrue it is. I can't tell if he thinks people are really that foolish, or if he really doesn't understand how dumb he looks.
He's edging into Curtis territory - he can't tell when things are plausible anymore.
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How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
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@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica, needs to be licensed. No, you don't have to go out and buy a license for it if its' covered by Software Assurance. But you do if your replica host is not licensed to cover the replica VM.
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@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
That's what Robert and a few others literally are preaching all of the time. And they get pretty vicious if you point out the obviousness of the fallacy.
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@tim_g said in I can't even:
@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica...
A huge key here...
Hyper-V Replica requires a license.
A Hyper-V replica does not.Semantics, that capital letter matters.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@tim_g said in I can't even:
@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica...
A huge key here...
Hyper-V Replica requires a license.
A Hyper-V replica does not.Semantics, that capital letter matters.
So use Veeam to replicate and you're golden.
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@dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@tim_g said in I can't even:
@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica...
A huge key here...
Hyper-V Replica requires a license.
A Hyper-V replica does not.Semantics, that capital letter matters.
So use Veeam to replicate and you're golden.
Correct.
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Although I don't know personally that Hyper-V Replica requires a license, only that replicas themselves don't. I've not seen any docs about Hyper-V's technology needing it specifically.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/465839-do-i-need-a-windows-license-for-a-virtual-replica
I'd like to see where MS lists there being a need for the replica process to have a license.
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Everyone states that you need a license, but they always include the assumption that you will turn it on. I've searched and never found any MS statements that say that backups in that state need a license. I have a feeling it's not needed for Hyper-V Replica, either.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
Although I don't know personally that Hyper-V Replica requires a license, only that replicas themselves don't. I've not seen any docs about Hyper-V's technology needing it specifically.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/465839-do-i-need-a-windows-license-for-a-virtual-replica
I'd like to see where MS lists there being a need for the replica process to have a license.
Yeah, you have a good point, and that would seem strange, because it does basically mean that Hyper-V does require a license to do things.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
Everyone states that you need a license, but they always include the assumption that you will turn it on. I've searched and never found any MS statements that say that backups in that state need a license. I have a feeling it's not needed for Hyper-V Replica, either.
So, what does SA give you in this situation then?
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@dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
Everyone states that you need a license, but they always include the assumption that you will turn it on. I've searched and never found any MS statements that say that backups in that state need a license. I have a feeling it's not needed for Hyper-V Replica, either.
So, what does SA give you in this situation then?
The ability to fire it up.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@tim_g said in I can't even:
@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica...
A huge key here...
Hyper-V Replica requires a license.
A Hyper-V replica does not.Semantics, that capital letter matters.
So use Veeam to replicate and you're golden.
Correct.
If you have Hyper-V HOST1 and Hyper-V HOST2, and you replicate VM1 between them, you need a license for the replica, no matter what.
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@tim_g said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@tim_g said in I can't even:
@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica...
A huge key here...
Hyper-V Replica requires a license.
A Hyper-V replica does not.Semantics, that capital letter matters.
So use Veeam to replicate and you're golden.
Correct.
If you have Hyper-V HOST1 and Hyper-V HOST2, and you replicate VM1 between them, you need a license for the replica, no matter what.
And if you back up VM1 to BACKUPSERV1, no license needed. The backup of VM1 is not a Hyper-V Replica, it's just a "dumb" .vhdx file you can't do anything with, and is not "attached" to Hyper-V Replication.
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@tim_g said in I can't even:
@tim_g said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@tim_g said in I can't even:
@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica...
A huge key here...
Hyper-V Replica requires a license.
A Hyper-V replica does not.Semantics, that capital letter matters.
So use Veeam to replicate and you're golden.
Correct.
If you have Hyper-V HOST1 and Hyper-V HOST2, and you replicate VM1 between them, you need a license for the replica, no matter what.
And if you back up VM1 to BACKUPSERV1, no license needed. The backup of VM1 is not a Hyper-V Replica, it's just a "dumb" .vhdx file you can't do anything with, and is not "attached" to Hyper-V Replication.
In this scenario, there are 3 VM1.vhdx files. Two of them are in Hyper-V replication of one-another. The third is not.
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@scottalanmiller said
but they always include the assumption that you will turn it on.
If a server is in the woods, but is never turned on, is it really a server?
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@tim_g said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@tim_g said in I can't even:
@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica...
A huge key here...
Hyper-V Replica requires a license.
A Hyper-V replica does not.Semantics, that capital letter matters.
So use Veeam to replicate and you're golden.
Correct.
If you have Hyper-V HOST1 and Hyper-V HOST2, and you replicate VM1 between them, you need a license for the replica, no matter what.
Not quite. There are many ways that I can replicate a VM to another server that do not involve using the built in replication method.
It is very specifically the use of the Hyper-V Replication function within Hyper-V that requires SA to be allowed to replicate a VM to another server.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
Everyone states that you need a license, but they always include the assumption that you will turn it on. I've searched and never found any MS statements that say that backups in that state need a license. I have a feeling it's not needed for Hyper-V Replica, either.
So, what does SA give you in this situation then?
The ability to fire it up.
Incorrect. You do gain that allowance also. But SA also grants you the use of the Hyper-V Replication functions to create the replica.
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@tim_g said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@tim_g said in I can't even:
@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica...
A huge key here...
Hyper-V Replica requires a license.
A Hyper-V replica does not.Semantics, that capital letter matters.
So use Veeam to replicate and you're golden.
Correct.
If you have Hyper-V HOST1 and Hyper-V HOST2, and you replicate VM1 between them, you need a license for the replica, no matter what.
What do you mean? You absolutely don't need any license for what you described. The act of replication never requires a license from MS - no matter what. That's not something that MS licenses.
