EMC ScaleIO Available for Free for Non-Production Use
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This looks pretty interesting. It would be a competitor to say Starwind & co?
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I think I looked at this before. Looks really interesting. And looks easier to manage than gluster or Ceph.
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@dafyre said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
This looks pretty interesting. It would be a competitor to say Starwind & co?
It cannot be a competitor to us as it is not allowed in production, where we do allow using our Free version in prod.
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@scottalanmiller said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
Can't be used for production, but you can do a lot of learning on it.
https://www.emc.com/products-solutions/trial-software-download/scaleio.htm
It can't be used for evaluation as well, and THAT is weird to be honest. I simply don't get WHY.
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@dafyre said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
This looks pretty interesting. It would be a competitor to say Starwind & co?
EMC competitor to StarWind? That's a compliment, Sir you made my day!!! There's a 100x gap in revenue between us so that's great.
Technically positioning is very different: ScaleIO is looking for many-many nodes to get reasonable performance (<10 is a joke) and small deployments are expensive in terms of a data witness. I mean they do have (N-1) capacity so with a 2-way replication with 3 nodes (starter kit) you'll get 1 node (1/3 of a cluster) usable capacity. That's expensive for NVMe storage! Expensive and slow. 2-way replica, no dedupe etc.
My own imho - Ceph is running circles around ScaleIO and as soon as somebody would bother to finalize a healthy ecosystem around Ceph (we need more companies and not just InkTank) ScaleIO will have a VERY strong competitor. Competitor = somebody targeting MASSIVE many nodes deployments (SMB is few nodes, that's where StarWind plays so we aren't competitor really).
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@scottalanmiller said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
@jason says that the EULA allows for production usage, just without support.
Not really...
https://www.emc.com/content/terms/eula-scaleio.htm
E. “Internal Business Purposes” means an internal (non-commercial) Use for the purpose(s) of testing and demonstrating the features of the Software, and not for Customer product development, product testing, or other Customer research and development or commercial purposes.
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@KOOLER said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
@scottalanmiller said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
@jason says that the EULA allows for production usage, just without support.
Not really...
https://www.emc.com/content/terms/eula-scaleio.htm
E. “Internal Business Purposes” means an internal (non-commercial) Use for the purpose(s) of testing and demonstrating the features of the Software, and not for Customer product development, product testing, or other Customer research and development or commercial purposes.
Nothing in that says not for production use. But it does say not for commercial purposes and customer development, etc. To me that reads, if I use it internally to run my business, i can.
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@JaredBusch said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
@KOOLER said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
@scottalanmiller said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
@jason says that the EULA allows for production usage, just without support.
Not really...
https://www.emc.com/content/terms/eula-scaleio.htm
E. “Internal Business Purposes” means an internal (non-commercial) Use for the purpose(s) of testing and demonstrating the features of the Software, and not for Customer product development, product testing, or other Customer research and development or commercial purposes.
Nothing in that says not for production use. But it does say not for commercial purposes and customer development, etc. To me that reads, if I use it internally to run my business, i can.
**E. “Internal Business Purposes” means an internal (non-commercial) Use for the purpose(s) of testing and demonstrating the features of the Software
This is the part that reads not for production use to me. The EULA is explicitly saying for testing and demonstration of the features of the Software. You could skew that to say that by using it in production you are demonstrating the features I guess but that would be a gray area.
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@JaredBusch said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
@KOOLER said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
@scottalanmiller said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
@jason says that the EULA allows for production usage, just without support.
Not really...
https://www.emc.com/content/terms/eula-scaleio.htm
E. “Internal Business Purposes” means an internal (non-commercial) Use for the purpose(s) of testing and demonstrating the features of the Software, and not for Customer product development, product testing, or other Customer research and development or commercial purposes.
Nothing in that says not for production use. But it does say not for commercial purposes and customer development, etc. To me that reads, if I use it internally to run my business, i can.
To me that means you can't, because anything internal that isn't purely for testing is commercial purposes. Anything used to run a business is commercial use.
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@JaredBusch said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free for Non-Production Use:
@KOOLER said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
@scottalanmiller said in EMC ScaleIO Available for Free:
@jason says that the EULA allows for production usage, just without support.
Not really...
https://www.emc.com/content/terms/eula-scaleio.htm
E. “Internal Business Purposes” means an internal (non-commercial) Use for the purpose(s) of testing and demonstrating the features of the Software, and not for Customer product development, product testing, or other Customer research and development or commercial purposes.
Nothing in that says not for production use. But it does say not for commercial purposes and customer development, etc. To me that reads, if I use it internally to run my business, i can.
If the law states you can't kill people it doesn't mean you can kill them with a fork just because fork isn't mentioned.
Production use = Commercial purpose
If you don't agree - go ahead, put SIO into production and be ready to re-write your house to your lawyer. I don't see what I can do to help here
