What Are You Doing Right Now
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@EddieJennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@EddieJennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Much to my surprise, a conversation is actually happening, though not with the actual vendor.
https://sagecity.na.sage.com/support_communities/sage50_accounting_us/f/132/p/103023/286994
Pretty inane conversation in that thread, though.
But a conversation nonetheless. I wouldn't care so much if we didn't maintain Sage Business Care. I so want to virtualize our Sage server, but not if it means when Sage breaks we get zero support.
My Sage BusinessWorks server has been virtual for 5+ years. We've had zero issue in getting support from Sage. Granted we haven't had any really challenging issues with it either, and only 2 people use it.
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@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
My personal Scott quote of the day: "Democracy is the political belief that the means justify the ends."
Ain't that the truth.
It's really how they teach it too. We worship the system and glorify it as being more important than the results that it produces. It's like a class where we care that they did the work but don't care if they answer is any good.
Are we talking about in education or as citizens in general?
It's what Americans are taught.
Okay, so as citizens. You are correct. Many Americans believe in living for themselves, individualistic, instead of as a community, such as other cultures, such as Oriental cultures. If we are not caring for each other and only caring for ourselves, then we have no community. We are just people living in the same town.
Here, you are talking more about consequentialism instead of deontology. "Ends justify the means". Robbing a bank is okay as long as I tithe my 10%. This is an exaggeration, but you get the point.
Deontology teaches us that we need to live within our moral constraints, whether it be the Bible, or some other believe system. In other words, we can't donate money that has been stolen because stealing is bad. Thou shall not steal (Exodus 20:15).
My personal belief is that the household has started to decay. As generations come and go, morals have become less and less prevalent. How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
I'm not meaning to start a religious/political conversation here.
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.ATTRIBUTION: Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato, according to William L.
Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277
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@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
My personal Scott quote of the day: "Democracy is the political belief that the means justify the ends."
Ain't that the truth.
It's really how they teach it too. We worship the system and glorify it as being more important than the results that it produces. It's like a class where we care that they did the work but don't care if they answer is any good.
Are we talking about in education or as citizens in general?
It's what Americans are taught.
Okay, so as citizens. You are correct. Many Americans believe in living for themselves, individualistic, instead of as a community, such as other cultures, such as Oriental cultures. If we are not caring for each other and only caring for ourselves, then we have no community. We are just people living in the same town.
Here, you are talking more about consequentialism instead of deontology. "Ends justify the means". Robbing a bank is okay as long as I tithe my 10%. This is an exaggeration, but you get the point.
Deontology teaches us that we need to live within our moral constraints, whether it be the Bible, or some other believe system. In other words, we can't donate money that has been stolen because stealing is bad. Thou shall not steal (Exodus 20:15).
My personal belief is that the household has started to decay. As generations come and go, morals have become less and less prevalent. How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
I'm not meaning to start a religious/political conversation here.
They [Young People] have exalted notions, because they have not been humbled by life or learned its necessary limitations; moreover, their hopeful disposition makes them think themselves equal to great things -- and that means having exalted notions. They would always rather do noble deeds than useful ones: Their lives are regulated more by moral feeling than by reasoning -- all their mistakes are in the direction of doing things excessively and vehemently. They overdo everything -- they love too much, hate too much, and the same with everything else.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing?
How about destroying one's chances of furthering education as a start. Insufficient income would be next....
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
You are correct, but moral disposition dictates actions. We also place education and career above family. That's why we don't get married until after high school at least. Moral dictates that we are married before having kids. Therefore, teen pregnancies are frowned upon.
However, as a species, you are correct. Our most fertile times is in teenage years.
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@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
Moral dictates that we are married before having kids.
Speak for yourself eh
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@MattSpeller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
Moral dictates that we are married before having kids.
Speak for yourself eh
Typically, I do.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
Because teenagers are still immature idiots, nowhere near ready to handle the responsibility of raising a child. There's something to be said for living some of your life, having some real world experiences before the shackles of Parenthood are upon you.
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@MattSpeller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing?
How about destroying one's chances of furthering education as a start. Insufficient income would be next....
What about teen pregnancy prevents further education? Insufficient income? Well, I guess all those kinds in China should just be dead then, eh? or you pick whatever third world country you like.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
My personal Scott quote of the day: "Democracy is the political belief that the means justify the ends."
Sadly I definitely see this being the case these days. The UK is a super frightening place right now with the new Snooper's Charter and Theresa May's new manifesto.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.htmlit was always the case, right? Democracy was only promoted for this very purpose.
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@dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
My personal belief is that the household has started to decay. As generations come and go, morals have become less and less prevalent.
I'd argue very much the opposite. Moral decay is not what we see, we see a society more and more concerned with morality and holding it to a higher and higher standard.
I would argue that although there is more higher standard to be held towards people now, people are not doing so. They cannot keep up perfectly. So on a side you see a higher standard being held accountable to important/prominent people but for everyone else there is nothing.
I don't see that. I see it everywhere. From how we treat people to how we treat animals to laws to everything. The world, especially the first world, is becoming SO much more ethical than it was even a generation ago. Our standards have changed so much that we are often offended by things that were commonplace not so long ago.
Just the whole trend of people being offended by so much... it's because old timers want to get away with things that the younger generations no longer tolerate.
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
Because teenagers are still immature idiots, nowhere near ready to handle the responsibility of raising a child. There's something to be said for living some of your life, having some real world experiences before the shackles of Parenthood are upon you.
Huh, I wonder how we got here as a species then? Most of our human time on this earth had our species having children while being teens. That seems to disprove the lack of ability to raise children.
Frankly, I would say today's society of not holding people personally responsible for their actions has lead to bigger problems of why people don't raise their children responsibly.
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@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But @dafyre is right. Some people are willing to do whatever they can to keep living the lifestyle that they are comfortable with. Whether that involves voting, rallying, protesting, or something more violent, some are dead set at change that they will do whatever it takes to protect it.
What people need to learn is how to adapt, to ebb and flow.
They don't need to, we have democracy to protect the status quo.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
My personal Scott quote of the day: "Democracy is the political belief that the means justify the ends."
Sadly I definitely see this being the case these days. The UK is a super frightening place right now with the new Snooper's Charter and Theresa May's new manifesto.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.htmlit was always the case, right? Democracy was only promoted for this very purpose.
Well, you definitely make the argument. But I can't just sit by and accept that your dictatorship idea is really the right way either.
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@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
You are correct, but moral disposition dictates actions. We also place education and career above family. That's why we don't get married until after high school at least. Moral dictates that we are married before having kids. Therefore, teen pregnancies are frowned upon.
I don't agree. We place family so high on the list that people wait until after education and career before starting families. Instead of just getting pregnant as soon as biologically possible, we as a species have changed our views as society and opportunities have changed. We know that people having kids between 30-38 give their kids the best advantages in life and have the most time to spend with their kids. People are having fewer kids today - partially because kids are no longer indentured slaves or disposable but are now to be treasured and valued.
Family is where we've come the farthest. Never before have we cared for our children like we do now. And that waiting to have kids is a key artefact in that.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
My personal Scott quote of the day: "Democracy is the political belief that the means justify the ends."
Sadly I definitely see this being the case these days. The UK is a super frightening place right now with the new Snooper's Charter and Theresa May's new manifesto.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.htmlit was always the case, right? Democracy was only promoted for this very purpose.
Well, you definitely make the argument. But I can't just sit by and accept that your dictatorship idea is really the right way either.
Sure you can, that's the POINT of democracy. If you believe in democracy, then you believe in its results.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How many households still have their biological father in them? How many kids still live one, if not both, of their biological parents? How many children are being raised by a family member that is not their biological parent?
We are the first era to know who the biological father was. It's believed that the family unit is strengthening, not decaying. The past wasn't that idealogical. You can make lots of fine arguments that family units are not strong. but I don't think that you can make that argument in the relative sense to the past.
We are, for example, the generation with the lowest teen pregnancy rates, ever. So many assumed social problems of the past are effectively gone today. The past wasn't the rosy place that we imagine, not one hundred years ago, not a thousand years ago.
Since you brought it up, why is teen pregnancy a bad thing? From what I can tell, mostly because society (people) have deemed it so. Of course biologically, we are living much longer than we did 100 years ago, and definitely a lot longer than 500 years ago, so the need to jump right into having children to keep the species alive is no longer there, but biologically I thought we were, as a species, designed to have children in the teenage years?
Because teenagers are still immature idiots, nowhere near ready to handle the responsibility of raising a child. There's something to be said for living some of your life, having some real world experiences before the shackles of Parenthood are upon you.
Huh, I wonder how we got here as a species then? Most of our human time on this earth had our species having children while being teens. That seems to disprove the lack of ability to raise children.
Frankly, I would say today's society of not holding people personally responsible for their actions has lead to bigger problems of why people don't raise their children responsibly.
Teens used to be adults. You used to be an adult at 15.
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@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
You are correct, but moral disposition dictates actions. We also place education and career above family. That's why we don't get married until after high school at least. Moral dictates that we are married before having kids. Therefore, teen pregnancies are frowned upon.
I feel like this is a conflicted statement. On one hand, you make it seem like we are morally tied to having loads of kids when we are young and that waiting to have them is bad. But then feel that being married and having two parents is good, which generally requires waiting. can't be both ways.
Teen pregnancies are frowned upon moreso because....
- Teens rarely have the resources to take care of children.
- Teens are not legally given the responsibilities and capability to fully care for children.
- Teens having children disrupts our economic stall model that we depend on so much.
- Teens do not accumulate the resources to pass on to their kids fast enough to let those kids leverage them as they become adults.
- Teens having kids is only good when a society's goal is "fodder" for teh population. once the goal is higher quality of life, you need people to wait on having kids.
