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    • JaredBuschJ
      JaredBusch @Dashrender
      last edited by JaredBusch

      @Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

      @JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

      @Dashrender now to address auto updates for server.

      That also comes down to how you install.

      I always, 100% of the time, start from the NetInstall ISO and choose the Minimal option during install.

      That means there isn't jack shit setup by default.

      I honestly have no idea what any of the other options install.

      I wouldn't expect you to auto install updates on Server...

      and my expectation is only for workstations.. and since Linux OSes don't really truly have a difference, then I guess a default type setting on it is not likely... of course, as you said - it could be one of the options you mentioned..

      FFS The Cinnamon desktop install DOES.. I said this many times...

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @JaredBusch
        last edited by

        @JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

        @Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

        @JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

        @Dashrender now to address auto updates for server.

        That also comes down to how you install.

        I always, 100% of the time, start from the NetInstall ISO and choose the Minimal option during install.

        That means there isn't jack shit setup by default.

        I honestly have no idea what any of the other options install.

        I wouldn't expect you to auto install updates on Server...

        and my expectation is only for workstations.. and since Linux OSes don't really truly have a difference, then I guess a default type setting on it is not likely... of course, as you said - it could be one of the options you mentioned..

        FFS The Cinnamon desktop install DOES.. I said this many times...

        I think you mentioned it gives you a GUI, nothing about it automatically setups up auto updates.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
          last edited by

          @Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

          @JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

          @Dashrender now to address auto updates for server.

          That also comes down to how you install.

          I always, 100% of the time, start from the NetInstall ISO and choose the Minimal option during install.

          That means there isn't jack shit setup by default.

          I honestly have no idea what any of the other options install.

          I wouldn't expect you to auto install updates on Server...

          What? Why not? I sure would. You'd need a pretty good reason to avoid updates at their most critical spot.

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
            last edited by

            @scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

            @Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

            @JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

            @Dashrender now to address auto updates for server.

            That also comes down to how you install.

            I always, 100% of the time, start from the NetInstall ISO and choose the Minimal option during install.

            That means there isn't jack shit setup by default.

            I honestly have no idea what any of the other options install.

            I wouldn't expect you to auto install updates on Server...

            What? Why not? I sure would. You'd need a pretty good reason to avoid updates at their most critical spot.

            because we use Windows isn't a good reason?

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            • JaredBuschJ
              JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
              last edited by

              @scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

              @Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

              @JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

              @Dashrender now to address auto updates for server.

              That also comes down to how you install.

              I always, 100% of the time, start from the NetInstall ISO and choose the Minimal option during install.

              That means there isn't jack shit setup by default.

              I honestly have no idea what any of the other options install.

              I wouldn't expect you to auto install updates on Server...

              What? Why not? I sure would. You'd need a pretty good reason to avoid updates at their most critical spot.

              Exactly. All my systems have dnf-automatic or yum-crom. All of them.

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              • wrx7mW
                wrx7m
                last edited by

                @JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                /etc/dnf/automatic.conf

                Does this use a built-in smtp server to send emails? What if I want to have it log into an office 365 account to send messages?

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @wrx7m
                  last edited by

                  @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                  @JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                  /etc/dnf/automatic.conf

                  Does this use a built-in smtp server to send emails? What if I want to have it log into an office 365 account to send messages?

                  That's what the SMTP Server (aka an MTA) would be for. The SMTP server is literally the thing that logs into O365 or Gmail or whatever.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    So, for example, if you are using Postfix, you would configure Postfix to log into O365 when sending emails.

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                    • wrx7mW
                      wrx7m @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by

                      @scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                      @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                      @JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                      /etc/dnf/automatic.conf

                      Does this use a built-in smtp server to send emails? What if I want to have it log into an office 365 account to send messages?

                      That's what the SMTP Server (aka an MTA) would be for. The SMTP server is literally the thing that logs into O365 or Gmail or whatever.

                      I understand that, I wanted to know if there was another config file somewhere for dnf-automatic to specify this information.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @wrx7m
                        last edited by

                        @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                        @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                        @JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                        /etc/dnf/automatic.conf

                        Does this use a built-in smtp server to send emails? What if I want to have it log into an office 365 account to send messages?

                        That's what the SMTP Server (aka an MTA) would be for. The SMTP server is literally the thing that logs into O365 or Gmail or whatever.

                        I understand that, I wanted to know if there was another config file somewhere for dnf-automatic to specify this information.

                        I don't believe so, I think that the SMTP config is the only place.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller
                          last edited by

                          I just did a search on this topic, and ML was the top hit 😉

                          https://mangolassi.it/topic/15902/how-does-dnf-automatic-send-emails

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                          • wrx7mW
                            wrx7m @scottalanmiller
                            last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                            @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                            @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                            @JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                            /etc/dnf/automatic.conf

                            Does this use a built-in smtp server to send emails? What if I want to have it log into an office 365 account to send messages?

                            That's what the SMTP Server (aka an MTA) would be for. The SMTP server is literally the thing that logs into O365 or Gmail or whatever.

                            I understand that, I wanted to know if there was another config file somewhere for dnf-automatic to specify this information.

                            I don't believe so, I think that the SMTP config is the only place.

                            OK. So, since I most likely need to install a mail server to accomplish this, is postfix the best one for this?

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @wrx7m
                              last edited by

                              @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                              @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                              @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                              @JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                              /etc/dnf/automatic.conf

                              Does this use a built-in smtp server to send emails? What if I want to have it log into an office 365 account to send messages?

                              That's what the SMTP Server (aka an MTA) would be for. The SMTP server is literally the thing that logs into O365 or Gmail or whatever.

                              I understand that, I wanted to know if there was another config file somewhere for dnf-automatic to specify this information.

                              I don't believe so, I think that the SMTP config is the only place.

                              OK. So, since I most likely need to install a mail server to accomplish this, is postfix the best one for this?

                              Yes, definitely. It's well known, easy to configure, and the default on most all systems (and definitely all that use DNF.)

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                              • wrx7mW
                                wrx7m @scottalanmiller
                                last edited by

                                @scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                @JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                /etc/dnf/automatic.conf

                                Does this use a built-in smtp server to send emails? What if I want to have it log into an office 365 account to send messages?

                                That's what the SMTP Server (aka an MTA) would be for. The SMTP server is literally the thing that logs into O365 or Gmail or whatever.

                                I understand that, I wanted to know if there was another config file somewhere for dnf-automatic to specify this information.

                                I don't believe so, I think that the SMTP config is the only place.

                                OK. So, since I most likely need to install a mail server to accomplish this, is postfix the best one for this?

                                Yes, definitely. It's well known, easy to configure, and the default on most all systems (and definitely all that use DNF.)

                                Down the rabbit hole I go. Needed a squid proxy server. Then needed fail2ban, then dnf-automatic, now postfix.

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                                • IRJI
                                  IRJ @wrx7m
                                  last edited by

                                  @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                  @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                  @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                  @wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                  @JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                  /etc/dnf/automatic.conf

                                  Does this use a built-in smtp server to send emails? What if I want to have it log into an office 365 account to send messages?

                                  That's what the SMTP Server (aka an MTA) would be for. The SMTP server is literally the thing that logs into O365 or Gmail or whatever.

                                  I understand that, I wanted to know if there was another config file somewhere for dnf-automatic to specify this information.

                                  I don't believe so, I think that the SMTP config is the only place.

                                  OK. So, since I most likely need to install a mail server to accomplish this, is postfix the best one for this?

                                  Yes, definitely. It's well known, easy to configure, and the default on most all systems (and definitely all that use DNF.)

                                  Down the rabbit hole I go. Needed a squid proxy server. Then needed fail2ban, then dnf-automatic, now postfix.

                                  https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XkI6DeF0RNg/UOpXi9jup7I/AAAAAAAAAYM/tc-3EuFD0PE/s1600/thug-life-meme-glasses.jpeg

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                                  • wrx7mW
                                    wrx7m
                                    last edited by

                                    To set the dnf-automatic timer to run every day at 1AM:

                                    nano /usr/lib/systemd/system/dnf-automatic.timer
                                    
                                    [Unit]
                                    Description=dnf-automatic timer
                                    # See comment in dnf-makecache.service
                                    ConditionPathExists=!/run/ostree-booted
                                    Wants=network-online.target
                                    
                                    [Timer]
                                    OnCalendar=*-*-* 01:00:00
                                    
                                    [Install]
                                    WantedBy=multi-user.target
                                    
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                                    • FATeknollogeeF
                                      FATeknollogee
                                      last edited by

                                      There really need to be a setting for this in the Workstation GUI.

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                                      • JaredBuschJ
                                        JaredBusch @FATeknollogee
                                        last edited by JaredBusch

                                        @FATeknollogee said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                        There really need to be a setting for this in the Workstation GUI.

                                        By default Fedora Workstation + Cinnamon uses dnfdragora which is a totally separate process.

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                                        • FATeknollogeeF
                                          FATeknollogee @JaredBusch
                                          last edited by

                                          @JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                          @FATeknollogee said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:

                                          There really need to be a setting for this in the Workstation GUI.

                                          By default Fedora Workstation + Cinnamon uses dnfdragora which is a totally separate process.

                                          Yes, I realize that.
                                          This setting exists in Cockpit, no reason why it can't be in WS!

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