Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date
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After upgrading to Fedora 29, my system was not updating regularly.
Looking at
systemctl list-timers --allI could see the timer was there but not scheduled to run.I have no idea what broke, because after researching, I found that they reintroduced the original naming, but the specific timers should have still been functioning.
Whatever. I removed the
-installand started the original.systemctl stop dnf-automatic-install.timer systemctl disable dnf-automatic-install.timer systemctl enable --now dnf-automatic.timer -
@Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
I'm surprised this isn't a default setting.
Or at least provide an option during installation.
@JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
After upgrading to Fedora 29, my system was not updating regularly.
Looking at
systemctl list-timers --allI could see the timer was there but not scheduled to run.I have no idea what broke, because after researhcing, I found that they reintroduced the original nameing, but the specific timers should have still been functioning.
Whatever. I removed the
-installand started the original.systemctl stop dnf-automatic-install.timer systemctl disable dnf-automatic-install.timer systemctl enable --now dnf-automatic.timerYep, I was also experience the same thing too.
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@Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
I'm surprised this isn't a default setting.
Default for who or what?
If you install Fedora 29 + Cinnamon desktop, there is a GUI updater installed by default.
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@JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
I'm surprised this isn't a default setting.
Defualt for who or what?
If you install Fedora 29 + Cinnamon desktop, there is a GUI updater installed by default.
In this day and age - I more expect things to autoupdate themselves for consumers... of course Fedora... so it is really a consumer thing? Is there a difference between client and server? I think we've had that conversation before.. though I don't recall the exact output.
Now I'm ready for your impending /FFS
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@Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
Now I'm ready for your impending /FFS
:face_with_stuck-out_tongue:
@Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
In this day and age - I more expect things to autoupdate themselves for consumers... of course Fedora... so it is really a consumer thing?
I just said there was something installed by default on Desktop. Not this, but something.
@Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
Is there a difference between client and server? I think we've had that conversation before.. though I don't recall the exact output.
There is no difference. It is all in the initial install choices you make. The desktop ISO has a different installer I believe. But that doesn't change the underpinning.
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@Dashrender now to address auto updates for server.
That also comes down to how you install.
I always, 100% of the time, start from the NetInstall ISO and choose the Minimal option during install.
That means there isn't jack shit setup by default.
I honestly have no idea what any of the other options install.
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@JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@Dashrender now to address auto updates for server.
That also comes down to how you install.
I always, 100% of the time, start from the NetInstall ISO and choose the Minimal option during install.
That means there isn't jack shit setup by default.
I honestly have no idea what any of the other options install.
I wouldn't expect you to auto install updates on Server...
and my expectation is only for workstations.. and since Linux OSes don't really truly have a difference, then I guess a default type setting on it is not likely... of course, as you said - it could be one of the options you mentioned..
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@Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@Dashrender now to address auto updates for server.
That also comes down to how you install.
I always, 100% of the time, start from the NetInstall ISO and choose the Minimal option during install.
That means there isn't jack shit setup by default.
I honestly have no idea what any of the other options install.
I wouldn't expect you to auto install updates on Server...
and my expectation is only for workstations.. and since Linux OSes don't really truly have a difference, then I guess a default type setting on it is not likely... of course, as you said - it could be one of the options you mentioned..
FFS The Cinnamon desktop install DOES.. I said this many times...
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@JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@Dashrender now to address auto updates for server.
That also comes down to how you install.
I always, 100% of the time, start from the NetInstall ISO and choose the Minimal option during install.
That means there isn't jack shit setup by default.
I honestly have no idea what any of the other options install.
I wouldn't expect you to auto install updates on Server...
and my expectation is only for workstations.. and since Linux OSes don't really truly have a difference, then I guess a default type setting on it is not likely... of course, as you said - it could be one of the options you mentioned..
FFS The Cinnamon desktop install DOES.. I said this many times...
I think you mentioned it gives you a GUI, nothing about it automatically setups up auto updates.
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@Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@Dashrender now to address auto updates for server.
That also comes down to how you install.
I always, 100% of the time, start from the NetInstall ISO and choose the Minimal option during install.
That means there isn't jack shit setup by default.
I honestly have no idea what any of the other options install.
I wouldn't expect you to auto install updates on Server...
What? Why not? I sure would. You'd need a pretty good reason to avoid updates at their most critical spot.
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@scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@Dashrender now to address auto updates for server.
That also comes down to how you install.
I always, 100% of the time, start from the NetInstall ISO and choose the Minimal option during install.
That means there isn't jack shit setup by default.
I honestly have no idea what any of the other options install.
I wouldn't expect you to auto install updates on Server...
What? Why not? I sure would. You'd need a pretty good reason to avoid updates at their most critical spot.
because we use Windows isn't a good reason?
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@scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@Dashrender said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@Dashrender now to address auto updates for server.
That also comes down to how you install.
I always, 100% of the time, start from the NetInstall ISO and choose the Minimal option during install.
That means there isn't jack shit setup by default.
I honestly have no idea what any of the other options install.
I wouldn't expect you to auto install updates on Server...
What? Why not? I sure would. You'd need a pretty good reason to avoid updates at their most critical spot.
Exactly. All my systems have dnf-automatic or yum-crom. All of them.
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@JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
/etc/dnf/automatic.conf
Does this use a built-in smtp server to send emails? What if I want to have it log into an office 365 account to send messages?
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@wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
/etc/dnf/automatic.conf
Does this use a built-in smtp server to send emails? What if I want to have it log into an office 365 account to send messages?
That's what the SMTP Server (aka an MTA) would be for. The SMTP server is literally the thing that logs into O365 or Gmail or whatever.
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So, for example, if you are using Postfix, you would configure Postfix to log into O365 when sending emails.
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@scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
/etc/dnf/automatic.conf
Does this use a built-in smtp server to send emails? What if I want to have it log into an office 365 account to send messages?
That's what the SMTP Server (aka an MTA) would be for. The SMTP server is literally the thing that logs into O365 or Gmail or whatever.
I understand that, I wanted to know if there was another config file somewhere for dnf-automatic to specify this information.
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@wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
/etc/dnf/automatic.conf
Does this use a built-in smtp server to send emails? What if I want to have it log into an office 365 account to send messages?
That's what the SMTP Server (aka an MTA) would be for. The SMTP server is literally the thing that logs into O365 or Gmail or whatever.
I understand that, I wanted to know if there was another config file somewhere for dnf-automatic to specify this information.
I don't believe so, I think that the SMTP config is the only place.
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I just did a search on this topic, and ML was the top hit
https://mangolassi.it/topic/15902/how-does-dnf-automatic-send-emails
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@scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
/etc/dnf/automatic.conf
Does this use a built-in smtp server to send emails? What if I want to have it log into an office 365 account to send messages?
That's what the SMTP Server (aka an MTA) would be for. The SMTP server is literally the thing that logs into O365 or Gmail or whatever.
I understand that, I wanted to know if there was another config file somewhere for dnf-automatic to specify this information.
I don't believe so, I think that the SMTP config is the only place.
OK. So, since I most likely need to install a mail server to accomplish this, is postfix the best one for this?
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@wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@scottalanmiller said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@wrx7m said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
@JaredBusch said in Using dnf-automatic to keep Fedora up to date:
/etc/dnf/automatic.conf
Does this use a built-in smtp server to send emails? What if I want to have it log into an office 365 account to send messages?
That's what the SMTP Server (aka an MTA) would be for. The SMTP server is literally the thing that logs into O365 or Gmail or whatever.
I understand that, I wanted to know if there was another config file somewhere for dnf-automatic to specify this information.
I don't believe so, I think that the SMTP config is the only place.
OK. So, since I most likely need to install a mail server to accomplish this, is postfix the best one for this?
Yes, definitely. It's well known, easy to configure, and the default on most all systems (and definitely all that use DNF.)
