Daisy Chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?
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@dafyre said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@Mike-Davis -- What makes the home run not practical?
Conduit, digging, man power etc.
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@dafyre The distances and cost. Pretty sure I'd be pushing the limit if I ran from 1 to 3 or 4 directly. Also that would mean probably going to 1" conduit so I could get 3 runs of tough wire in it. All said, that would be less expensive than erecting towers to a WISP style solution, so when you compare it to that, the cost doesn't seem so bad.
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Here is an image. The drawing is wildy not to scale. From the Main House to Birch is about 600', thus the multi mode fiber. From Lakeshore 1,2,3 to Lakeview is 115'.
Question: Do you already have a switch in Lakeview 1,2 & 3?
Looking at the map, what I would suggest is a switch and Cat 6 (or fiber) to Hemlock (#5).
Then Cat 6 from 6,7,8, and 9 back to Hemlock (#5). Then, Cat 6 from the Lakeview Up & Down (#3) and Balsam (#4) back to Hemlock (#5).
A simple home run from the Office (#1) to Lakeshore (#2) should be fine there.
Edit: I don't see any practical way to do this without having to run some cable.
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@coliver said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
I still only count 11 AP's then @Mike-Davis. Your legend is stating 12. Where would the last one be?
I think 12 is just a reference to denote the symbol for the APs. It's not the actual number.
That's a weird assumption to make. Every other AP is numbered, denoting that device as "AP 1" etc. I assume maybe Cedar also needs an AP of its own?
@Mike-Davis can you confirm?
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@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@coliver said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
I still only count 11 AP's then @Mike-Davis. Your legend is stating 12. Where would the last one be?
I think 12 is just a reference to denote the symbol for the APs. It's not the actual number.
That's a weird assumption to make. Every other AP is numbered, denoting that device as "AP 1" etc. I assume maybe Cedar also needs an AP of its own?
@Mike-Davis can you confirm?
Not an assumption it's basically what @Mike-Davis said in a previous comment.
12 is just the legend. Sorry, should have labeled that
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@dafyre I think the goal is to not have to house equipment in otherwise rentable space.
If that cabin is occupied and there is an issue, you're invading a clients rented space.
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@dafyre said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Edit: I don't see any practical way to do this without having to run some cable.
yes, I plan on running cable.
Sorry, the reason I picked the AC Pro is it has the second ethernet port that I understood was for Ethernet pass through in applications like this. It's not PoE pass though, just ethernet.
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I would honestly just run conduit to each location and have everything connect back at the main house.
It's not that much effort, and PVC is stupidly cheap.
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@dafyre said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
Edit: I don't see any practical way to do this without having to run some cable.
yes, I plan on running cable.
Sorry, the reason I picked the AC Pro is it has the second ethernet port that I understood was for Ethernet pass through in applications like this. It's not PoE pass though, just ethernet.
It is, but this isn't as if you're setting up your home and can deal with the side effects of chained APs.
For the APs 10 and 11 I could see making this usable, but I wouldn't do it for the rest of the space.
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@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
I would honestly just run conduit to each location and have everything connect back at the main house.
It's not that much effort, and PVC is stupidly cheap.
The more I think about it, I don't need 1" the entire run, only to the first cottage and then I can leave that cottage with 3/4" to the next one and so on. The only concern then is the distance. The labor to trench is the same no matter the size of the conduit. (at these sizes)
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
I would honestly just run conduit to each location and have everything connect back at the main house.
It's not that much effort, and PVC is stupidly cheap.
The more I think about it, I don't need 1" the entire run, only to the first cottage and then I can leave that cottage with 3/4" to the next one and so on. The only concern then is the distance. The labor to trench is the same no matter the size of the conduit. (at these sizes)
Is the price difference here really that bad from 1" to 3/4"?
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@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
For the APs 10 and 11 I could see making this usable, but I wouldn't do it for the rest of the space.
haha, 10 will actually have a switch because I need the SFP to convert from fiber to copper.
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@Dashrender said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
I would honestly just run conduit to each location and have everything connect back at the main house.
It's not that much effort, and PVC is stupidly cheap.
The more I think about it, I don't need 1" the entire run, only to the first cottage and then I can leave that cottage with 3/4" to the next one and so on. The only concern then is the distance. The labor to trench is the same no matter the size of the conduit. (at these sizes)
Is the price difference here really that bad from 1" to 3/4"?
Not a significant amount. Just run 1" the entire way. You'll have room for expansion in the future if need be.
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How deep does this conduit need to be buried?
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@coliver said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@Dashrender said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
I would honestly just run conduit to each location and have everything connect back at the main house.
It's not that much effort, and PVC is stupidly cheap.
The more I think about it, I don't need 1" the entire run, only to the first cottage and then I can leave that cottage with 3/4" to the next one and so on. The only concern then is the distance. The labor to trench is the same no matter the size of the conduit. (at these sizes)
Is the price difference here really that bad from 1" to 3/4"?
Not a significant amount. Just run 1" the entire way. You'll have room for expansion in the future if need be.
$4.21 vs $2.71. You guys are right. On a project this size the difference would be under $100. It would cost way more to have to go back and dig for another run.
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@coliver said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@Dashrender said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
I would honestly just run conduit to each location and have everything connect back at the main house.
It's not that much effort, and PVC is stupidly cheap.
The more I think about it, I don't need 1" the entire run, only to the first cottage and then I can leave that cottage with 3/4" to the next one and so on. The only concern then is the distance. The labor to trench is the same no matter the size of the conduit. (at these sizes)
Is the price difference here really that bad from 1" to 3/4"?
Not a significant amount. Just run 1" the entire way. You'll have room for expansion in the future if need be.
$4.21 vs $2.71. You guys are right. On a project this size the difference would be under $100. It would cost way more to have to go back and dig for another run.
That's actually more then it used to be. When I worked in a hardware store it was pennies a linear foot difference... and we weren't getting the bulk rate. But either way for under 100$ trench the 1" pipe and not worry about it.
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@Mike-Davis how deep are you burying this conduit? Why not just rent the trencher yourself and get this done in a day?
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Mike,
I think this whole this is super confused right now.Why is there copper involved? All of this should be fiber.
Are these copper and fiber runs listed already in place ? Or are they being planned?
Start this whole thing over...
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@DustinB3403 The guy that owns the place will run all the conduit. I vacation there. I'd rather be on vacation than digging a ditch. They will probably only need me to terminate everything and configure it.
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@Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:
@DustinB3403 The guy that owns the place will run all the conduit. I vacation there. I'd rather be on vacation than digging a ditch. They will probably only need me to terminate everything and configure it.
So why the F does the price of burying conduit matter? Who brought up this point?
Just run 1" throughout, since it's not costing your bottem line.
