Intranet suggestions....
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@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
I'm going to give Drupal another try and actually do more than just install and forget.
Create a Pantheon account. It's free and you get a couple sandbox sites. It's expensive to host live with them (like $50 a month I think) but if you just want to do dev and not manage everything underneath it's probably worth it. But the free sandbox is awesome to build a site with.
You get a dev, test, and prod environment and you can commit changes between each with the push of a button.
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@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
One is a blogging platform that can do static sites.
WordPress is a full CMS.
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
The modules in Drupal are more powerful than the plugins for WordPress.
I do agree with this.
Right they're a CMS that does blogging and static pages.
All CMSs do...
That was my point. Drupal does a ton more since it's not just a CMS.
What's some things Drupal does besides static pages and blogging, that you just can't have WordPress do by itself or via plugins?
You can create your own content types and entities (more bare than a content type) to create any type of record you want. So for example a mileage app I created.
I can log in and put in a trip
The vehicles drop down can be it's own field or tied to a taxonomy vocabulary so you can do some other integration. Then I can display this however I want. So I just have a simple table based view but you can have any kind of view you can think of.
But this is a super simple app. The last place I worked I had an intranet that did QA reports for welding, delivery people would sign with their finger directly on the site for deliveries, safety issue tracking, incident tracking, serial number tracking for specific parts, etc.
Oh I see.
So I guess the only use case then is the ability to natively store custom input via a custom form into the database, and display it on a page (without having to use a plugin as you would on WordPress for the same functionality)?
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But what about things you can't do in WordPress via a plugin?
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@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
One is a blogging platform that can do static sites.
WordPress is a full CMS.
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
The modules in Drupal are more powerful than the plugins for WordPress.
I do agree with this.
Right they're a CMS that does blogging and static pages.
All CMSs do...
That was my point. Drupal does a ton more since it's not just a CMS.
What's some things Drupal does besides static pages and blogging, that you just can't have WordPress do by itself or via plugins?
You can create your own content types and entities (more bare than a content type) to create any type of record you want. So for example a mileage app I created.
I can log in and put in a trip
The vehicles drop down can be it's own field or tied to a taxonomy vocabulary so you can do some other integration. Then I can display this however I want. So I just have a simple table based view but you can have any kind of view you can think of.
But this is a super simple app. The last place I worked I had an intranet that did QA reports for welding, delivery people would sign with their finger directly on the site for deliveries, safety issue tracking, incident tracking, serial number tracking for specific parts, etc.
Oh I see.
So I guess the only use case then is the ability to natively store custom input via a custom form into the database?
Well that's the whole point. You can create a CMS that has specific types of blog posts that can change based on certain criteria. Or certain users can only create certain types of posts.
I think saying the "only" use case is a big disingenuous because that's such a giant range of things you can do.
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@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
But what about things you can't do in WordPress via a plugin?
Does WordPress have plugins for custom content types? And ways to display those content types differently?
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@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
But what about things you can't do in WordPress via a plugin?
Does WordPress have plugins for custom content types? And ways to display those content types differently?
Yes, custom form builders and all that... multiple ways of displaying it on a page.
It's all the same stuff, just not native.
I'm sure if you need somethign complex, it's better to hire and spend money on someone doing it in Drupal... but for the more simpler things WordPress would do. I'm sure you can get complex in WordPress too.
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@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
But what about things you can't do in WordPress via a plugin?
Does WordPress have plugins for custom content types? And ways to display those content types differently?
Yes, custom form builders and all that... multiple ways of displaying it on a page.
It's all the same stuff, just not native.
I'm sure if you need somethign complex, it's better to hire and spend money on someone doing it in Drupal... but for the more simpler things WordPress would do. I'm sure you can get complex in WordPress too.
It doesn't need to be complex. It's natively part of the platform so out of the box it has a content type for blog posts and pages. But you can get even lower than content types to entities where you define exactly how pieces fit together. Content types have an author and some other default data. Entities are completely built from scratch and then you have to define how they work together, so that is more complex. But if you just want to do content types it's really easy.
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@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
But what about things you can't do in WordPress via a plugin?
Does WordPress have plugins for custom content types? And ways to display those content types differently?
Yes, custom form builders and all that... multiple ways of displaying it on a page.
It's all the same stuff, just not native.
I'm sure if you need somethign complex, it's better to hire and spend money on someone doing it in Drupal... but for the more simpler things WordPress would do. I'm sure you can get complex in WordPress too.
The only thing I know of that competes with Views in Drupal is this product for WordPress (conveniently also called Views) and is $149.
https://wp-types.com/home/views-create-elegant-displays-for-your-content/
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@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@scottalanmiller said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@nashbrydges said in Intranet suggestions....:
Any of these options recommended for a multi-client scenario? Would need authentication so each client only accesses their own documentation.
Yes drupal can do that. Wiki.js can have roles and users that have access to specific areas but I've noticed if you search for something, the search show up in the bar from areas they don't have access to. They can't get there, but the titles and such show up.
Search is so often a week point in security, argh. If all you are doing is hiding passwords or details, it often works fine. If you are hiding concepts, it's useless.
Ya I was really disappointed when I saw that. So you need multiple sites for separation, which sucks.
Is it still an issue if Wiki.js is not setup for public access?
Yes because you don't want clients seeing info for other clients. And we were going to use it for a user area and an internal documentation site. But that won't work now.
What about creating rules to allow users to see what you want them to see?
https://docs.requarks.io/wiki/admin-guide/manage-access-rights
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@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@scottalanmiller said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@nashbrydges said in Intranet suggestions....:
Any of these options recommended for a multi-client scenario? Would need authentication so each client only accesses their own documentation.
Yes drupal can do that. Wiki.js can have roles and users that have access to specific areas but I've noticed if you search for something, the search show up in the bar from areas they don't have access to. They can't get there, but the titles and such show up.
Search is so often a week point in security, argh. If all you are doing is hiding passwords or details, it often works fine. If you are hiding concepts, it's useless.
Ya I was really disappointed when I saw that. So you need multiple sites for separation, which sucks.
Is it still an issue if Wiki.js is not setup for public access?
Yes because you don't want clients seeing info for other clients. And we were going to use it for a user area and an internal documentation site. But that won't work now.
What about creating rules to allow users to see what you want them to see?
https://docs.requarks.io/wiki/admin-guide/manage-access-rights
It still doesn't work that great. Its too much a pain to manage.
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@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@nashbrydges said in Intranet suggestions....:
Any of these options recommended for a multi-client scenario? Would need authentication so each client only accesses their own documentation.
Yes drupal can do that. Wiki.js can have roles and users that have access to specific areas but I've noticed if you search for something, the search show up in the bar from areas they don't have access to. They can't get there, but the titles and such show up.
@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@scottalanmiller said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@nashbrydges said in Intranet suggestions....:
Any of these options recommended for a multi-client scenario? Would need authentication so each client only accesses their own documentation.
Yes drupal can do that. Wiki.js can have roles and users that have access to specific areas but I've noticed if you search for something, the search show up in the bar from areas they don't have access to. They can't get there, but the titles and such show up.
Search is so often a week point in security, argh. If all you are doing is hiding passwords or details, it often works fine. If you are hiding concepts, it's useless.
Ya I was really disappointed when I saw that. So you need multiple sites for separation, which sucks.
Is it still an issue if Wiki.js is not setup for public access?
Yes because you don't want clients seeing info for other clients. And we were going to use it for a user area and an internal documentation site. But that won't work now.
What about creating rules to allow users to see what you want them to see?
https://docs.requarks.io/wiki/admin-guide/manage-access-rights
I think what @stacksofplates was saying above was that you can use these rules to permit access, but the search still allows you to see some of the content. If you try to select it it won't take you to the page and allow you to see the full content, but the search may give you headlines or even a little data that shouldn't be visible without permissions. This is something that hopefully they will be able to iron out moving forward.
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Is there any affiliation between this site and the MangoApps intranet-as-a-service? https://www.mangoapps.com all mangos look the same to me....
I need to redo a 15 year old HTML intranet. These all sound like great ideas, but what about for someone who has absolutely no clue about web hosting. I have been doing networking and desktop support here for 10+ years and never had a need to learn web hosting. I run my own blogs in WordPress, but I picked a theme and filled in the blanks. I do not think I could do any design, and am already overloaded. Just the thought of learning a whole new discipline to setup a local WP site, design, and support a company intranet is too much.
I really want a turnkey solution I can task a minion to upload content into then throw to the wolves and let them burn it down slowly with cat videos and fashion gossip.
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@zombiewrangler said in Intranet suggestions....:
Is there any affiliation between this site and the MangoApps intranet-as-a-service? https://www.mangoapps.com all mangos look the same to me....
I'm gonna guess no by looking at their "About Us" page.
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This WordPress theme + plugins looks nice, try the demo.
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@bnrstnr Agreed, but caught my attention as I was software searching.... Reminded me to come here and read the posts.
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@zombiewrangler said in Intranet suggestions....:
Is there any affiliation between this site and the MangoApps intranet-as-a-service? https://www.mangoapps.com all mangos look the same to me....
I need to redo a 15 year old HTML intranet. These all sound like great ideas, but what about for someone who has absolutely no clue about web hosting. I have been doing networking and desktop support here for 10+ years and never had a need to learn web hosting. I run my own blogs in WordPress, but I picked a theme and filled in the blanks. I do not think I could do any design, and am already overloaded. Just the thought of learning a whole new discipline to setup a local WP site, design, and support a company intranet is too much.
I really want a turnkey solution I can task a minion to upload content into then throw to the wolves and let them burn it down slowly with cat videos and fashion gossip.
Any of the wiki solutions mentioned above need no backend skills. You just spin up a vm and follow instructions to install. Once done you are always in the GUI.
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What about atlassian.com/software/confluence ?
It works perfectly well as intranet. You can do a bunch of stuff. You can fully use the AD to login, to craft rules, who is able to read, write or even access the intranet (AD-groups). It's not free though, but it sadly works very well and can be installed on your host server.
You can even start pages for every department, so that public stuff from the HR for example can be read but all the IT-documentation stuff is hidden... -
@cherryman said in Intranet suggestions....:
What about atlassian.com/software/confluence ?
It works perfectly well as intranet. You can do a bunch of stuff. You can fully use the AD to login, to craft rules, who is able to read, write or even access the intranet (AD-groups). It's not free though, but it sadly works very well and can be installed on your host server.
You can even start pages for every department, so that public stuff from the HR for example can be read but all the IT-documentation stuff is hidden...It's pretty standard as a wiki goes. Expensive, though.
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@scottalanmiller said in Intranet suggestions....:
@cherryman said in Intranet suggestions....:
What about atlassian.com/software/confluence ?
It works perfectly well as intranet. You can do a bunch of stuff. You can fully use the AD to login, to craft rules, who is able to read, write or even access the intranet (AD-groups). It's not free though, but it sadly works very well and can be installed on your host server.
You can even start pages for every department, so that public stuff from the HR for example can be read but all the IT-documentation stuff is hidden...It's pretty standard as a wiki goes. Expensive, though.
Thats true. At the end of the day you have to buy a licence to maintain the service.
Every company i worked on ended up throwing away their current solution for confluence. -
@cherryman If you are also using Jira and a few other Atlassian tools, then I'd pick Confluence too. But if it is your only tool from them, I don't think that it is a strong wiki entry on its own.
