Signal Group Chat
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@scottalanmiller said in Signal Group Chat:
@jaredbusch said in Signal Group Chat:
@scottalanmiller said in Signal Group Chat:
@jaredbusch said in Signal Group Chat:
If you want to continue to rail against the solutions that exist, but rely on a phone number for verification, then provide a concrete example of another robust solution.
But we did. Email is more secure, tied to a person, and universal.
Email is not tied to a perosn, is certainly not universal, and is certainly not more secure.
Email is designed to be tied to a person and is always an option. Telephone numbers are never that, always a device. Email is more universal that phone numbers. Email is way more secure, it at least gives the end user the option of security.
Only from your point of view. I know many people with single shared email accounts. But they all have their own cellphone with a unique number. And this is in the U.S.
No one is arguing that a phone is tied to a person rather than a device. But I am stating that your claim that just because it is a device is not any less identifiable than email is.
Email is horribly not a secure medium and was never originally designed to be.
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@scottalanmiller said in Signal Group Chat:
@stacksofplates said in Signal Group Chat:
Both of course require hacking. How do you intercept a 2FA code without hacking?
By getting the SIM card, being assigned the number, or being in a place like where I worked that all calls and texts going through a third party that reads them first.
This is an irrelevant issue. Anyone working in such a place that needs to make this type of verification knows that it cannot be done while at work.
This is also an exception that affects such an insignificant amount of people that it basically does not exist.
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Was a signal group ever started? I am in
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@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
Was a signal group ever started? I am in
The Telegram app was just way better
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@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
Was a signal group ever started? I am in
Yes it was/is...
but as mentioned, the Telegram client is significantly better at this time.It was also noted, anyone added to a group in Signal, all members received all other members phone numbers.
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@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
Was a signal group ever started? I am in
Yes it was/is...
but as mentioned, the Telegram client is significantly better at this time.It was also noted, anyone added to a group in Signal, all members received all other members phone numbers.
Interesting comparison of secure messaging apps..
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@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
Was a signal group ever started? I am in
Yes it was/is...
but as mentioned, the Telegram client is significantly better at this time.It was also noted, anyone added to a group in Signal, all members received all other members phone numbers.
Interesting comparison of secure messaging apps..
So, based on that table, my preferences of messengers would be:
- Signal
- Wire
- Telegram
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@nerdydad said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
Was a signal group ever started? I am in
Yes it was/is...
but as mentioned, the Telegram client is significantly better at this time.It was also noted, anyone added to a group in Signal, all members received all other members phone numbers.
Interesting comparison of secure messaging apps..
So, based on that table, my preferences of messengers would be:
- Signal
- Wire
- Telegram
No love for Threema?
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@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@nerdydad said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
Was a signal group ever started? I am in
Yes it was/is...
but as mentioned, the Telegram client is significantly better at this time.It was also noted, anyone added to a group in Signal, all members received all other members phone numbers.
Interesting comparison of secure messaging apps..
So, based on that table, my preferences of messengers would be:
- Signal
- Wire
- Telegram
No love for Threema?
I'm cheap. I don't like having to pay for stuff.
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@bigbear said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
Was a signal group ever started? I am in
The Telegram app was just way better
What's the difference? I haven't looked at telegram... actually I think i looked briefly a few months ago and decided that Viber did more and that it wasn't worth switching. Then now recently I looked at Signal and it seems like the same as Viber, but secure.
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@nerdydad said in Signal Group Chat:
@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@nerdydad said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
Was a signal group ever started? I am in
Yes it was/is...
but as mentioned, the Telegram client is significantly better at this time.It was also noted, anyone added to a group in Signal, all members received all other members phone numbers.
Interesting comparison of secure messaging apps..
So, based on that table, my preferences of messengers would be:
- Signal
- Wire
- Telegram
No love for Threema?
I'm cheap. I don't like having to pay for stuff.
Threema looks the best according to that chart.
Where does it say it costs?
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@tim_g said in Signal Group Chat:
@nerdydad said in Signal Group Chat:
@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@nerdydad said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
Was a signal group ever started? I am in
Yes it was/is...
but as mentioned, the Telegram client is significantly better at this time.It was also noted, anyone added to a group in Signal, all members received all other members phone numbers.
Interesting comparison of secure messaging apps..
So, based on that table, my preferences of messengers would be:
- Signal
- Wire
- Telegram
No love for Threema?
I'm cheap. I don't like having to pay for stuff.
Threema looks the best according to that chart.
Where does it say it costs?
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This picture isn't as telling as I'd like.
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@nerdydad said in Signal Group Chat:
@tim_g said in Signal Group Chat:
@nerdydad said in Signal Group Chat:
@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@nerdydad said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
Was a signal group ever started? I am in
Yes it was/is...
but as mentioned, the Telegram client is significantly better at this time.It was also noted, anyone added to a group in Signal, all members received all other members phone numbers.
Interesting comparison of secure messaging apps..
So, based on that table, my preferences of messengers would be:
- Signal
- Wire
- Telegram
No love for Threema?
I'm cheap. I don't like having to pay for stuff.
Threema looks the best according to that chart.
Where does it say it costs?
It's $3 one time per platform (android or iDevices) Not that big of deal in my opinion... but it does make me ask - how is Signal funded?
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@tim_g said in Signal Group Chat:
@nerdydad said in Signal Group Chat:
@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@nerdydad said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
Was a signal group ever started? I am in
Yes it was/is...
but as mentioned, the Telegram client is significantly better at this time.It was also noted, anyone added to a group in Signal, all members received all other members phone numbers.
Interesting comparison of secure messaging apps..
So, based on that table, my preferences of messengers would be:
- Signal
- Wire
- Telegram
No love for Threema?
I'm cheap. I don't like having to pay for stuff.
Threema looks the best according to that chart.
Where does it say it costs?
You pay one time for the app. However threema is closed source and only audited by a security team they pick.
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@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
@tim_g said in Signal Group Chat:
@nerdydad said in Signal Group Chat:
@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@nerdydad said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
Was a signal group ever started? I am in
Yes it was/is...
but as mentioned, the Telegram client is significantly better at this time.It was also noted, anyone added to a group in Signal, all members received all other members phone numbers.
Interesting comparison of secure messaging apps..
So, based on that table, my preferences of messengers would be:
- Signal
- Wire
- Telegram
No love for Threema?
I'm cheap. I don't like having to pay for stuff.
Threema looks the best according to that chart.
Where does it say it costs?
You pay one time for the app. However threema is closed source and only audited by a security team they pick.
This really is the bigger deal.
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I see, that changes things.
I'd rather pay $3 for open source in a case like that.
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@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
@tim_g said in Signal Group Chat:
@nerdydad said in Signal Group Chat:
@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@nerdydad said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
@dashrender said in Signal Group Chat:
@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
Was a signal group ever started? I am in
Yes it was/is...
but as mentioned, the Telegram client is significantly better at this time.It was also noted, anyone added to a group in Signal, all members received all other members phone numbers.
Interesting comparison of secure messaging apps..
So, based on that table, my preferences of messengers would be:
- Signal
- Wire
- Telegram
No love for Threema?
I'm cheap. I don't like having to pay for stuff.
Threema looks the best according to that chart.
Where does it say it costs?
You pay one time for the app. However threema is closed source and only audited by a security team they pick.
This really is the bigger deal.
Same as not audited at all.
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Gizmodo says to avoid telegram. Encryption is turned off by default and weak when turned on.
https://gizmodo.com/the-best-and-worst-encrypted-messaging-apps-1782424449
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@irj said in Signal Group Chat:
Gizmodo says to avoid telegram. Encryption is turned off by default and weak when turned on.
https://gizmodo.com/the-best-and-worst-encrypted-messaging-apps-1782424449
OMG run for the hills. Encryption is off by default.
FFS. If I am trying to find a super secret chat app, I don't care about defaults. And if stupid users are stupid, they deserve to have their shit intercepted.
Now that second bit is the issue if I care about a secure chat app.
