You can't quit, you're fired!!
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@coliver said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@DustinB3403 Find me a reference then. Everything I've seen points to the opposite. You are employed at the will of the company and can be terminated for almost any reason, or no reason. It doesn't matter if you've put in your two weeks notice or not. For reference here is the NYS Attorney General's list of Employee Rights.
https://ag.ny.gov/labor/your-rights-employee
No where does it say protection during a transitional period.
Also in an at-will state here. You are paid for the hours worked, if your employer let's you go, they have to pay you for every minute up until that point, but once you are fired, quit or other wise not working, your pay ends. If there is another contract outside of that, that may be the case, but nothing exists on state labor laws. Typically, you only give your 2 week notice so when you use the place you worked on your resume they will mark you available for rehire, and give a positive review. If you bail with no notice they won't mark you for rehire, then using them as a reference can be difficult.
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@s.hackleman said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@coliver said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@DustinB3403 Find me a reference then. Everything I've seen points to the opposite. You are employed at the will of the company and can be terminated for almost any reason, or no reason. It doesn't matter if you've put in your two weeks notice or not. For reference here is the NYS Attorney General's list of Employee Rights.
https://ag.ny.gov/labor/your-rights-employee
No where does it say protection during a transitional period.
Also in an at-will state here. You are paid for the hours worked, if your employer let's you go, they have to pay you for every minute up until that point, but once you are fired, quit or other wise not working, your pay ends. If there is another contract outside of that, that may be the case, but nothing exists on state labor laws. Typically, you only give your 2 week notice so when you use the place you worked on your resume they will mark you available for rehire, and give a positive review. If you bail with no notice they won't mark you for rehire, then using them as a reference can be difficult.
Yeah, ALL of the power comes down to things like unemployment costs and claims with references. You say they fired you for putting in notice, they can't legally deny it. They want to say you quit, you can prove that you didn't. You want to claim unemployment, they have no way to stop it because they fired you. They want you back, you can negotiate anything that you want, you have no obligations at all. Firing you puts most of the power in your hands. Other than stopping you from riding out two weeks, you get all the cards. They also make it public that they don't accept notice, so other employees have no professional obligation to give notice either. It's now a free for all for others to quit simply by calling in on the morning that they start their next job. That's not something an employer wants happening.
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@scottalanmiller said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@s.hackleman said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@coliver said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@DustinB3403 Find me a reference then. Everything I've seen points to the opposite. You are employed at the will of the company and can be terminated for almost any reason, or no reason. It doesn't matter if you've put in your two weeks notice or not. For reference here is the NYS Attorney General's list of Employee Rights.
https://ag.ny.gov/labor/your-rights-employee
No where does it say protection during a transitional period.
Also in an at-will state here. You are paid for the hours worked, if your employer let's you go, they have to pay you for every minute up until that point, but once you are fired, quit or other wise not working, your pay ends. If there is another contract outside of that, that may be the case, but nothing exists on state labor laws. Typically, you only give your 2 week notice so when you use the place you worked on your resume they will mark you available for rehire, and give a positive review. If you bail with no notice they won't mark you for rehire, then using them as a reference can be difficult.
Yeah, ALL of the power comes down to things like unemployment costs and claims with references. You say they fired you for putting in notice, they can't legally deny it. They want to say you quit, you can prove that you didn't. You want to claim unemployment, they have no way to stop it because they fired you. They want you back, you can negotiate anything that you want, you have no obligations at all. Firing you puts most of the power in your hands. Other than stopping you from riding out two weeks, you get all the cards. They also make it public that they don't accept notice, so other employees have no professional obligation to give notice either. It's now a free for all for others to quit simply by calling in on the morning that they start their next job. That's not something an employer wants happening.
This is also when you fire people you pay a severance so employees don't get paranoid and jump ship to avoid cashflow issues if they THINK they might get let go in a RIF. Companies that just "throw people out" and stop paying them are more likely to see employees do the same.
If an employees regularly fires people without putting them on a performance improvement plan, giving warnings, and pays no severance people are going to be much more aggressively always looking for their next job.
I've heard of us giving 3 months pay and medical insurance as severance. That means if we have a down quarter people are less likely to run for the exits and more likely to come back if they can find another role.
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@scottalanmiller said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
want you at the office, and you've given 2 weeks (at least in NY) you're entitled to that pay.
No. They can totally fire you. Otherwise you could put in long notice to avoid being fired
If they fire you can claim unemployment. This raises/spikes their insurance costs though so smart companies go to GREAT lengths to not fire people.
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@John-Nicholson said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@scottalanmiller said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
want you at the office, and you've given 2 weeks (at least in NY) you're entitled to that pay.
No. They can totally fire you. Otherwise you could put in long notice to avoid being fired
If they fire you can claim unemployment. This raises/spikes their insurance costs though so smart companies go to GREAT lengths to not fire people.
Ya and the unemployment tax rates go up (possibly) as well.
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And once you have employees empowered to just walk out or no-show when they are done, you risk having no warning and losing loads of staff all at once. Which could happen by chance, could be coordinated or have a snowball effect.
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I'm pretty sure that they are free to fire you. It comes with the obvious risks, but I've never heard of someone not being able to be fired unless they had a contract that stated otherwise.
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Be the bigger man, which is what it sounds like you're doing. It was cool that you still sent something nice to your contacts from your personal account. Boomerang relationships can be important when you look at your career in the long game. There are probably people in the company that were surprised about your sudden departure as well. By communicating with them they will have an opportunity to reach out to you as well.
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@Mike-Davis and they get to find out that he was walked out and fired for having given notice.
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@scottalanmiller said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@Mike-Davis and they get to find out that he was walked out and fired for having given notice.
The more they know... Helps them plan better for their own departure.
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@dafyre said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@scottalanmiller said in You can't quit, you're fired!!:
@Mike-Davis and they get to find out that he was walked out and fired for having given notice.
The more they know... Helps them plan better for their own departure.
Yeah, and to be fair to them, you don't want management able to pretend that you walked out without notice or that you were fired for something that they won't tell them about.
