Before Reinstall ... Windows Desktop Backup
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@Dashrender said:
If you were backing up to a USB 2.0 attached (or god forbid a 1.1) that would be why it was so slow.
It was USB 2.0, but so much slower than other products.
Plus now that I have heard other are having restore issues ... maybe I'll just stick to other stuff.
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@MattSpeller said:
Microsoft P2V converter called Disk2VHD. Rips it super quick, does it while logged in to windows, dumps it into a (kind of) convenient format (VHD, mountable in disk management)
100% free, does not need to be installed, application is under 1mb, requires no prep
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415.aspx
That's a great idea.
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@MattSpeller said:
I've never wanted to, I have no idea. Probably? It'd be messy.
Edit: why not just fire it up as a vm?
I guess the fear would be ... what if you needed to put the system back exactly as you found it?
Unlikely since you are trying to wipe and restore. But something to consider.
Considering you have the data, though, I'm not sure that is such a big issue.
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Hmmm, this old issue again, from the DISK2VHD page.
I mean really, come on.
Is it legal to just MAKE a VHD, I wonder?
Note: Physical-to-virtual hard drive migration of a Windows installation is a valid function for customers with Software Assurance and full retail copies of Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7. Software Assurance provides users valuable benefits—please contact Microsoft Corporation for further information. Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7 installed by Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM) using OEM versions of these products may not be transferred to a virtual hard drive in accordance with Microsoft licensing terms.
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@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
If you were backing up to a USB 2.0 attached (or god forbid a 1.1) that would be why it was so slow.
It was USB 2.0, but so much slower than other products.
Plus now that I have heard other are having restore issues ... maybe I'll just stick to other stuff.
who is havin a problem with what? Clonezilla? I've never had a problem I didn't cause.
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@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
If you were backing up to a USB 2.0 attached (or god forbid a 1.1) that would be why it was so slow.
It was USB 2.0, but so much slower than other products.
Plus now that I have heard other are having restore issues ... maybe I'll just stick to other stuff.
who is havin a problem with what? Clonezilla? I've never had a problem I didn't cause.
No one. The stated issue was with Veeam.
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I use Veeam Endpoint Backup and it works great. I have never had a problem restoring individual files or encore systems. I did a bare metal restore last week, remotely in fact.
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@Dashrender said:
@MattSpeller said:
Microsoft P2V converter called Disk2VHD. Rips it super quick, does it while logged in to windows, dumps it into a (kind of) convenient format (VHD, mountable in disk management)
100% free, does not need to be installed, application is under 1mb
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415.aspx
Can you restore that to bare metal?
Yes, you can do it.
There will be problems with the drivers, but nothing that you can resolve.
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@JaredBusch said:
I use Veeam Endpoint Backup and it works great. I have never had a problem restoring individual files or encore systems. I did a bare metal restore last week, remotely in fact.
One of Windows 10 update screwed up my Surface Pro 4 audio and none of the fixes worked. Used my Veeam backup, restored everything back to what it was just before the update and working fine now
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@Ambarishrh said:
@JaredBusch said:
I use Veeam Endpoint Backup and it works great. I have never had a problem restoring individual files or encore systems. I did a bare metal restore last week, remotely in fact.
One of Windows 10 update screwed up my Surface Pro 4 audio and none of the fixes worked. Used my Veeam backup, restored everything back to what it was just before the update and working fine now
Because... Surface.
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I've never seen any single device have more issues and more people say that they don't have issues while so many people are posting issues
Except for SANs.
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@RojoLoco said:
@dafyre said:
I've had good luck doing it with Veeam Endpoint Recovery Free. it works great.
When I tested that, I could never get a disk image to restore correctly. Macrium Reflect Free edition was the fastest and most reliable in my tests, both for backup and restoration, whole disk imaging.
But let's face it, if the software can't successfully restore the image, it's not worth a shit.
(I have also used Acronis, DriveImage XML, and Clonezilla in the past, all great success!)
I've used Macrium as well. It does seem to work well, I just generally don't think about it unless Veeam or Clonezilla don't work.
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@JaredBusch said:
I use Veeam Endpoint Backup and it works great. I have never had a problem restoring individual files or encore systems. I did a bare metal restore last week, remotely in fact.
I"ll give it another try on this machine. I have some time with it, I can try a few of them and see what happens.
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Did some testing today.
DISK2VHD was quick to get running, and took around 11 minutes to do a full VHD backup.
DRIVEIMAGEXML kept freezing on this particular machine. Odd. (I tried multiple times.)
MACRIUM took about 11 minutes as well. A little longer up front to install the program.
VEEAM took a consider amount of time to download and install. It also took about 23 minutes to run the backup.
So anyway ... just some interesting numbers.
I think DISK2VHD might be the way to go moving forward.
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@BRRABill said:
Did some testing today.
DISK2VHD was quick to get running, and took around 11 minutes to do a full VHD backup.
DRIVEIMAGEXML kept freezing on this particular machine. Odd. (I tried multiple times.)
MACRIUM took about 11 minutes as well. A little longer up front to install the program.
VEEAM took a consider amount of time to download and install. It also took about 23 minutes to run the backup.
So anyway ... just some interesting numbers.
I think DISK2VHD might be the way to go moving forward.
The question is in the event of things like a hard drive upgrade, etc... would you be able to use Disk2VHD to restore a VHD file to a new hard drive or no?
Thanks for the numbers... those are good to see!
How do the backup sizes compare?
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@dafyre said:
The question is in the event of things like a hard drive upgrade, etc... would you be able to use Disk2VHD to restore a VHD file to a new hard drive or no?
That I do not know the answer to.
I do know the VHD will not boot in VirtualBox, and even if it did, it wouldn't be activated, as Microsoft doesn't support virtualizing the desktops for the most part.
Another downside I ran into with the VHD method us having to take ownership of a lot of stuff, which can be very time consuming. nI have to see how the othe programs dump the data back on the disk. But I am assuming permissions will be stripped.
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@BRRABill said:
@dafyre said:
The question is in the event of things like a hard drive upgrade, etc... would you be able to use Disk2VHD to restore a VHD file to a new hard drive or no?
That I do not know the answer to.
I do know the VHD will not boot in VirtualBox, and even if it didn't, it wouldn't be activated, as Microsoft doesn't support virtualizing the desktops for the most part.
Another downside I ran into with the VHD method us having to take ownership of a lot of stuff, which can be very time consuming. nI have to see how the othe programs dump the data back on the disk. But I am assuming permissions will be stripped.
That is the point of using Veeam. First it creates a restore boot ISO. Then it makes the initial backup. Your ongoing subsequent backups are minutes because it builds incrementals, the same as the main product.
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@JaredBusch said:
That is the point of using Veeam. First it creates a restore boot ISO. Then it makes the initial backup. Your ongoing subsequent backups are minutes because it builds incrementals, the same as the main product.
For this scenario, I was asking about a one time backup.
I agree something like Veeam would be more appropriate for the scenario you are talking about, with continual backups of an continually functioning system.
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Here is a desktop at a client that we backup with Veeam because of some specialized config and software.
That 26 minute duration? Veeam rebuilding the full backup from the incrementals.
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@dafyre said:
How do the backup sizes compare?
Just running "out of the box", so to speak, they were all about the same.
Macrium must have compression enabled by default because it was a smaller.
Macrium also retains security, BTW, so there is no difference to taking ownership as in the VHD.
