Apple bricks phone if not serviced by Apple
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
@Dashrender said:
This all happened to me, but on a 5S, so I was protected.
And happened last year, before this was a problem.
Does not matter when the hardware change happened, that's why so many phones are suddenly dying now though. The new software itself, bricks the phone no matter when the repair was done.
Except I then, a week later, dropped it in a lagoon. So... don't have that phone anymore at all.
Does this mean you have a 6s?
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@Breffni-Potter said:
At the end of the day, this is a money grab. There are many other ways to deal with the security issue around the finger print sensor besides out-right breaking the whole device.
This is my thinking too. Apple forces people to pay for a certification, then forces them to only use Apple parts, then locks-in their users to only use that process.
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@coliver said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
At the end of the day, this is a money grab. There are many other ways to deal with the security issue around the finger print sensor besides out-right breaking the whole device.
This is my thinking too. Apple forces people to pay for a certification, then forces them to only use Apple parts, then locks-in their users to only use that process.
It's hard not to see this as a money grab considering the could have simply disabled the fingerprint reader instead of bricking the phone.
I'm all for requiring Apple only parts in a situation like this.
also, I suppose it's possible that replacing the button also requires replacing the mobo so they are matched.
But replacing the button as part of broken glass - now that's going to far and will cause huge problems for Apple, just like IE did for MS.
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@coliver I think apple did this on purpose as a way to tell the US Gov't to piss off with their monitoring.
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@DustinB3403 said:
@coliver I think apple did this on purpose as a way to tell the US Gov't to piss off with their monitoring.
Eh, Apple doesn't really have to worry about that. The ISPs are already handing over as much information as they can with or without Apple's help.
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I dislike this because they are bricking the device.
As @scottalanmiller stated, there are too many places without an official repair channel.
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@DustinB3403 said:
@coliver I think apple did this on purpose as a way to tell the US Gov't to piss off with their monitoring.
I believe they did it because there's some security thingy that is disabled by or affected by the non-registered(?) part.
They should really have just made the darned thing replaceable / repairable in the first place.
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Well, that pretty much put the onus on me buying any more Apple devices until they change their minds about that.
First the phone, then the iPad... and eventually their desktops, laptops, and the world!
tries to hide tin foil hat
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@MattSpeller said:
@DustinB3403 said:
@coliver I think apple did this on purpose as a way to tell the US Gov't to piss off with their monitoring.
I believe they did it because there's some security thingy that is disabled by or affected by the non-registered(?) part.
They should really have just made the darned thing replaceable / repairable in the first place.
Considering the security implications - I've love to hear your solution for that considering a third party vendor with no Apple parts.
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@dafyre said:
Well, that pretty much put the onus on me buying any more Apple devices until they change their minds about that.
First the phone, then the iPad... and eventually their desktops, laptops, and the world!
tries to hide tin foil hat
Nah, I don't think this will be a problem for anything outside of the security devices in the system. This is really only an issue because of the replaced print scanner. that's a key part of their security setup. If that is no longer a reliable, trusted source, the whole thing is meaningless.
That said, they definitely need a way to replace the most replaced part (the glass) without affecting the print scanner.
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@dafyre said:
Well, that pretty much put the onus on me buying any more Apple devices until they change their minds about that.
First the phone, then the iPad... and eventually their desktops, laptops, and the world!
tries to hide tin foil hat
I've only got the iPhones now. We already dumped the tablets, although even ancient iPad is worlds better than the Amazon Kindle Fire tablet.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@dafyre said:
Well, that pretty much put the onus on me buying any more Apple devices until they change their minds about that.
First the phone, then the iPad... and eventually their desktops, laptops, and the world!
tries to hide tin foil hat
I've only got the iPhones now. We already dumped the tablets, although even ancient iPad is worlds better than the Amazon Kindle Fire tablet.
Just wondering - how so? Also remember that the old tablet was $600+ and the Fire was, what? $150?
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@Dashrender said:
Considering the security implications - I've love to hear your solution for that considering a third party vendor with no Apple parts.
Easiest solution would be for Apple to sell parts officially and for a non-extortionate price. (ahahahahah!)
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@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
Considering the security implications - I've love to hear your solution for that considering a third party vendor with no Apple parts.
Easiest solution would be for Apple to sell parts officially and for a non-extortionate price. (ahahahahah!)
why don't you say that about their phones?
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@Dashrender said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
Considering the security implications - I've love to hear your solution for that considering a third party vendor with no Apple parts.
Easiest solution would be for Apple to sell parts officially and for a non-extortionate price. (ahahahahah!)
why don't you say that about their phones?
and if you're using one of their phones, then you aren't saying that.
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@Dashrender said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
Considering the security implications - I've love to hear your solution for that considering a third party vendor with no Apple parts.
Easiest solution would be for Apple to sell parts officially and for a non-extortionate price. (ahahahahah!)
why don't you say that about their phones?
Say what about their phones? Sell them for cheap you mean? Oh honestly they can sell them for whatever they want, people will pay it. Just a real dick move to not have parts readily available for them.
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@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
Considering the security implications - I've love to hear your solution for that considering a third party vendor with no Apple parts.
Easiest solution would be for Apple to sell parts officially and for a non-extortionate price. (ahahahahah!)
why don't you say that about their phones?
Say what about their phones? Sell them for cheap you mean? Oh honestly they can sell them for whatever they want, people will pay it. Just a real dick move to not have parts readily available for them.
Who said parts aren't available? Sure you might have to mail the phone away - I'm guessing most of those problem places also have to mail away laptops to get them fixed... so why should this be any different?
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@Dashrender said:
Who said parts aren't available? Sure you might have to mail the phone away - I'm guessing most of those problem places also have to mail away laptops to get them fixed... so why should this be any different?
available =/ cheap
available =/ easily obtained
Maybe I'm old fashioned but when I buy something of a certain quality (like Apple stuff) I expect that if it breaks I can get it repaired easily and it would be designed to allow this. I'm not even ragging on Apple at this point, all major phones are the same, many other things too. It bothers me, I despise our disposable culture.
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@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
Who said parts aren't available? Sure you might have to mail the phone away - I'm guessing most of those problem places also have to mail away laptops to get them fixed... so why should this be any different?
available =/ cheap
available =/ easily obtained
Maybe I'm old fashioned but when I buy something of a certain quality (like Apple stuff) I expect that if it breaks I can get it repaired easily and it would be designed to allow this. I'm not even ragging on Apple at this point, all major phones are the same, many other things too. It bothers me, I despise our disposable culture.
It's true. Having the ability to fix something like this is part of the quality. Just like support is a major part of the quality of a server. The QNAP hardware and features can be as cool as you like, but a 14 days SLA with "send us the hardware, we keep it for two weeks, wipe your data and send it back" policy means that the actual product isn't even fit for hobbyists.
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I can't speak to the 6s series with the force touch, but spent a short time around a repair shop and they didn't carry home buttons for the 5s/6/6+ with Touch ID because the buttons were paired to the boards like @Nic said. Tearing a home button flex cable would have meant buying a replacement phone. Not sure if the newest models have more limits than that.
Screen repairs mostly didn't have any other effect like this, but they would warn people of a chance that the Touch ID might not work after a screen repair. "We've personally read about it happening but never seen one," and continued with that line even after I saw one had happened there myself.
