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    • IT-ADMINI
      IT-ADMIN
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      anyone know a free backup solution for XenServer
      something like veeam lol

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      • coliverC
        coliver
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        It looks like XenServer updated their Dom0 to CentOS 7.... I am really far behind now.

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403 @IT-ADMIN
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          @IT-ADMIN said:

          anyone know a free backup solution for XenServer
          something like veeam lol

          NAUBackup will create fully restorable Backup Images of your VM's and push them off host for free. I use NAU and it works perfectly for what I need.

          Otherwise you have StorageCraft or Unitrends are your options

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          • dafyreD
            dafyre @DustinB3403
            last edited by

            @DustinB3403 said:

            @IT-ADMIN said:

            anyone know a free backup solution for XenServer
            something like veeam lol

            NAUBackup will create fully restorable Backup Images of your VM's and push them off host for free. I use NAU and it works perfectly for what I need.

            Otherwise you have StorageCraft or Unitrends are your options

            NAU backup only exports full backups though. You don't get the incremental backups like you do with Veeam Endpoint Recovery (although with Veeam you have to install it on each VM)

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403
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              @dafyre I did say fulls...

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              • dafyreD
                dafyre @DustinB3403
                last edited by

                @DustinB3403 I misread what you wrote. My fault!

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                • IT-ADMINI
                  IT-ADMIN
                  last edited by

                  with veeam endpoint backup, i no longer see the benefit of virtualization, since i can backup the system image in a network share then it is fully safe, i can restore the system in matter of minutes,
                  i'm i right ??

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403 @IT-ADMIN
                    last edited by

                    @IT-ADMIN You'd be wrong to think that virtualization is trivialized. By virtualizing you enable recovery and backup to be much simpler than a restore to bare metal.

                    You have the hardware abstraction layer that means you can take a VM from completely different hardware and put it onto something else.

                    With direct bare metal restore you'd have to deal with the hardware.

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                    • dafyreD
                      dafyre
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                      The benefit of virtualization is savings on management time, hardware cost, power, and cooling, etc. Do you REALLY want to have to restore from a backup every time a physical machine blows out a hard drive or suffers from some other catastrophic failure?

                      Do you really want to be paying the Power bill for running 30 servers with 2 x 750 watt Power supplies each?

                      The list could go on...

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                      • coliverC
                        coliver @IT-ADMIN
                        last edited by

                        @IT-ADMIN said:

                        with veeam endpoint backup, i no longer see the benefit of virtualization, since i can backup the system image in a network share then it is fully safe, i can restore the system in matter of minutes,
                        i'm i right ??

                        One of the big benefits of server visualization is consolidation and utilization of hardware resources. You no longer have dozens of servers running at minimal usage. You now have one host running dozens of VMs, collectively these VMs use more resources on the hardware.

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                        • IT-ADMINI
                          IT-ADMIN
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                          yes guys you are right, i'm not talking about the economic benefit i get behind using virtualization (since i have small environment) but rather what is matter for me is disaster recovery, and yeah you are right again because dealing with hardware is more tricky

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                          • coliverC
                            coliver @IT-ADMIN
                            last edited by

                            @IT-ADMIN said:

                            yes guys you are right, i'm not talking about the economic benefit i get behind using virtualization (since i have small environment) but rather what is matter for me is disaster recovery, and yeah you are right again because dealing with hardware is more tricky

                            Oh, yes DR is made significantly easier when dealing with virtual machines instead of physical servers. If you have a good backup of the VM you can quickly move it to a different server and have it up and running in minutes.

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                            • IT-ADMINI
                              IT-ADMIN
                              last edited by

                              by the way i have a question here : can i move the bare metal system image to another physical server ?? (both server are identical )

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403 @IT-ADMIN
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                                @IT-ADMIN Yes you could, but the question is why.

                                If you virtualize the environment, you simply import the backup to a different hypervisor host and are up and running in a little time as that takes.

                                You're attempting to say that "Because we're such a small shop that we can't benefit from virtualizing" but this is just untrue. Any organization can benefit from virtualizing. Any size at all.

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                                • IT-ADMINI
                                  IT-ADMIN
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                                  dear @DustinB3403, what makes me not moving to virtualization is a long story, lol
                                  license issue and the P2V process (cuz the system itself is not very good)

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                                  • IT-ADMINI
                                    IT-ADMIN
                                    last edited by

                                    therefor i decided to keep everything as it is and just thinking of a solution to recover myself in case of disaster (and just keep this legacy of bare metal servers, only 2 DELL poweredge T310)

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                                    • coliverC
                                      coliver @IT-ADMIN
                                      last edited by

                                      @IT-ADMIN said:

                                      dear @DustinB3403, what makes me not moving to virtualization is a long story, lol
                                      license issue and the P2V process (cuz the system itself is not very good)

                                      No licensing for a hypervisor (or at least none you have to worry about). Look at Hyper-V or XenServer. Both are free to use for everyone. The only licensing you will need to worry about are your Windows licensing (if you have them).

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                                      • IT-ADMINI
                                        IT-ADMIN @coliver
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                                        @coliver said:

                                        @IT-ADMIN said:

                                        dear @DustinB3403, what makes me not moving to virtualization is a long story, lol
                                        license issue and the P2V process (cuz the system itself is not very good)

                                        No licensing for a hypervisor (or at least none you have to worry about). Look at Hyper-V or XenServer. Both are free to use for everyone. The only licensing you will need to worry about are your Windows licensing (if you have them).

                                        yes this is what i'm talking about: my windows server license 😞

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                                        • IT-ADMINI
                                          IT-ADMIN
                                          last edited by

                                          i think that i'm in a good position now with this veeam, it really save my ass, lol

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                                          • DustinB3403D
                                            DustinB3403 @IT-ADMIN
                                            last edited by DustinB3403

                                            @IT-ADMIN said:

                                            dear @DustinB3403, what makes me not moving to virtualization is a long story, lol
                                            license issue and the P2V process (cuz the system itself is not very good)

                                            Licensing I understand, meaning you have cracked licenses. The P2V process is really quite simple on any hypervisor you use.

                                            Only in rare circumstances should you consider not virtualizing. One being extremely rare/custom hardware that doesn't work on any hypervisor.

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