Backup File Server to DAS
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@DustinB3403 said:
XenServer 6.5 from the linux foundation.
and I'm back to being confused.
@scottalanmiller said:
XenServer is a brand name that Citrix slaps on XCP. XCP is made by Linux, XenServer is provided by Citrix. Citrix makes nothing that anyone uses.
Does this not mean that XenServer is Citrix, but then Scott says no one uses anything Citrix makes.
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So you can download a packaged solution for free of charge from Citrix, this includes XenServer 6.5 and XenCenter. The closed source management interface for XenCenter.
You can download an unpacked version from the Linux Foundation which doesn't include XenCenter.
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Help me understand why you would download a Citrix own thing from the Linux Foundation instead of Citrix? XenServer, according to Scott belongs to Citrix.
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I feel like I'm missing some super simple here, but just can't grasp it.
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Which if you're downloading from xenproject.org you're downloading Xen. Not XenServer.
Its a branded solution for the Xen project.
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OK the first line of the link @coliver posted above reads
XenServer is an open source project and community managed by Citrix
What does managed by Citrix mean? Does that mean they own it, but have GPL'ed it or Open Sourced it (different license than GPL) so anyone can use it anyway they want, but Citrix still owns it?
Damn that's a mind bender.
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OK So lets go back to the basics.
Citrix developed XenServer originally, but made it open source and donated the project to the Linux Foundation, they called it "Xen Project". So now there are 2 projects, Xen (Linux Foundation) and XenServer (Citrix Backed Version). Both offer an almost identical platform, except the management interface. Which is owned and privately developed by Citrix.
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anyone know a free backup solution for XenServer
something like veeam lol -
It looks like XenServer updated their Dom0 to CentOS 7.... I am really far behind now.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
anyone know a free backup solution for XenServer
something like veeam lolNAUBackup will create fully restorable Backup Images of your VM's and push them off host for free. I use NAU and it works perfectly for what I need.
Otherwise you have StorageCraft or Unitrends are your options
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@DustinB3403 said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
anyone know a free backup solution for XenServer
something like veeam lolNAUBackup will create fully restorable Backup Images of your VM's and push them off host for free. I use NAU and it works perfectly for what I need.
Otherwise you have StorageCraft or Unitrends are your options
NAU backup only exports full backups though. You don't get the incremental backups like you do with Veeam Endpoint Recovery (although with Veeam you have to install it on each VM)
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@dafyre I did say fulls...
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@DustinB3403 I misread what you wrote. My fault!
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with veeam endpoint backup, i no longer see the benefit of virtualization, since i can backup the system image in a network share then it is fully safe, i can restore the system in matter of minutes,
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@IT-ADMIN You'd be wrong to think that virtualization is trivialized. By virtualizing you enable recovery and backup to be much simpler than a restore to bare metal.
You have the hardware abstraction layer that means you can take a VM from completely different hardware and put it onto something else.
With direct bare metal restore you'd have to deal with the hardware.
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The benefit of virtualization is savings on management time, hardware cost, power, and cooling, etc. Do you REALLY want to have to restore from a backup every time a physical machine blows out a hard drive or suffers from some other catastrophic failure?
Do you really want to be paying the Power bill for running 30 servers with 2 x 750 watt Power supplies each?
The list could go on...
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@IT-ADMIN said:
with veeam endpoint backup, i no longer see the benefit of virtualization, since i can backup the system image in a network share then it is fully safe, i can restore the system in matter of minutes,
i'm i right ??One of the big benefits of server visualization is consolidation and utilization of hardware resources. You no longer have dozens of servers running at minimal usage. You now have one host running dozens of VMs, collectively these VMs use more resources on the hardware.
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yes guys you are right, i'm not talking about the economic benefit i get behind using virtualization (since i have small environment) but rather what is matter for me is disaster recovery, and yeah you are right again because dealing with hardware is more tricky
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@IT-ADMIN said:
yes guys you are right, i'm not talking about the economic benefit i get behind using virtualization (since i have small environment) but rather what is matter for me is disaster recovery, and yeah you are right again because dealing with hardware is more tricky
Oh, yes DR is made significantly easier when dealing with virtual machines instead of physical servers. If you have a good backup of the VM you can quickly move it to a different server and have it up and running in minutes.
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by the way i have a question here : can i move the bare metal system image to another physical server ?? (both server are identical )
