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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender
      last edited by

      OK, I think - so did @DustinB3403 install Xen or XenServer?

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403
        last edited by

        XenServer 6.5 from the linux foundation.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @DustinB3403
          last edited by Dashrender

          @DustinB3403 said:

          XenServer 6.5 from the linux foundation.

          and I'm back to being confused.

          @scottalanmiller said:

          XenServer is a brand name that Citrix slaps on XCP. XCP is made by Linux, XenServer is provided by Citrix. Citrix makes nothing that anyone uses.

          Does this not mean that XenServer is Citrix, but then Scott says no one uses anything Citrix makes.

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403
            last edited by

            So you can download a packaged solution for free of charge from Citrix, this includes XenServer 6.5 and XenCenter. The closed source management interface for XenCenter.

            You can download an unpacked version from the Linux Foundation which doesn't include XenCenter.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender
              last edited by

              Help me understand why you would download a Citrix own thing from the Linux Foundation instead of Citrix? XenServer, according to Scott belongs to Citrix.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender
                last edited by

                I feel like I'm missing some super simple here, but just can't grasp it.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403
                  last edited by DustinB3403

                  Which if you're downloading from xenproject.org you're downloading Xen. Not XenServer.

                  Its a branded solution for the Xen project.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender
                    last edited by

                    OK the first line of the link @coliver posted above reads

                    XenServer is an open source project and community managed by Citrix

                    What does managed by Citrix mean? Does that mean they own it, but have GPL'ed it or Open Sourced it (different license than GPL) so anyone can use it anyway they want, but Citrix still owns it?

                    Damn that's a mind bender.

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403
                      last edited by

                      OK So lets go back to the basics.

                      Citrix developed XenServer originally, but made it open source and donated the project to the Linux Foundation, they called it "Xen Project". So now there are 2 projects, Xen (Linux Foundation) and XenServer (Citrix Backed Version). Both offer an almost identical platform, except the management interface. Which is owned and privately developed by Citrix.

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                      • IT-ADMINI
                        IT-ADMIN
                        last edited by

                        anyone know a free backup solution for XenServer
                        something like veeam lol

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                        • coliverC
                          coliver
                          last edited by

                          It looks like XenServer updated their Dom0 to CentOS 7.... I am really far behind now.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403 @IT-ADMIN
                            last edited by

                            @IT-ADMIN said:

                            anyone know a free backup solution for XenServer
                            something like veeam lol

                            NAUBackup will create fully restorable Backup Images of your VM's and push them off host for free. I use NAU and it works perfectly for what I need.

                            Otherwise you have StorageCraft or Unitrends are your options

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                            • dafyreD
                              dafyre @DustinB3403
                              last edited by

                              @DustinB3403 said:

                              @IT-ADMIN said:

                              anyone know a free backup solution for XenServer
                              something like veeam lol

                              NAUBackup will create fully restorable Backup Images of your VM's and push them off host for free. I use NAU and it works perfectly for what I need.

                              Otherwise you have StorageCraft or Unitrends are your options

                              NAU backup only exports full backups though. You don't get the incremental backups like you do with Veeam Endpoint Recovery (although with Veeam you have to install it on each VM)

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403
                                last edited by

                                @dafyre I did say fulls...

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                                • dafyreD
                                  dafyre @DustinB3403
                                  last edited by

                                  @DustinB3403 I misread what you wrote. My fault!

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                                  • IT-ADMINI
                                    IT-ADMIN
                                    last edited by

                                    with veeam endpoint backup, i no longer see the benefit of virtualization, since i can backup the system image in a network share then it is fully safe, i can restore the system in matter of minutes,
                                    i'm i right ??

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403 @IT-ADMIN
                                      last edited by

                                      @IT-ADMIN You'd be wrong to think that virtualization is trivialized. By virtualizing you enable recovery and backup to be much simpler than a restore to bare metal.

                                      You have the hardware abstraction layer that means you can take a VM from completely different hardware and put it onto something else.

                                      With direct bare metal restore you'd have to deal with the hardware.

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                                      • dafyreD
                                        dafyre
                                        last edited by

                                        The benefit of virtualization is savings on management time, hardware cost, power, and cooling, etc. Do you REALLY want to have to restore from a backup every time a physical machine blows out a hard drive or suffers from some other catastrophic failure?

                                        Do you really want to be paying the Power bill for running 30 servers with 2 x 750 watt Power supplies each?

                                        The list could go on...

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                                        • coliverC
                                          coliver @IT-ADMIN
                                          last edited by

                                          @IT-ADMIN said:

                                          with veeam endpoint backup, i no longer see the benefit of virtualization, since i can backup the system image in a network share then it is fully safe, i can restore the system in matter of minutes,
                                          i'm i right ??

                                          One of the big benefits of server visualization is consolidation and utilization of hardware resources. You no longer have dozens of servers running at minimal usage. You now have one host running dozens of VMs, collectively these VMs use more resources on the hardware.

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                                          • IT-ADMINI
                                            IT-ADMIN
                                            last edited by

                                            yes guys you are right, i'm not talking about the economic benefit i get behind using virtualization (since i have small environment) but rather what is matter for me is disaster recovery, and yeah you are right again because dealing with hardware is more tricky

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