Ransomware Management Career Fork
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@scottalanmiller said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@scottalanmiller said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
I think you guys have a mostly accurate assessment of my personality type. I'm sort of funny. I make sure everyone knows who I am and I have 99% positive relationships formed with everyone. I put my feelers out recently and have come up empty. Where should I be networking now? AA meetings?
Professional events. How often are you at meet ups for your technology choices, for example?
I'm going to Mangocon?
Check out SpiceCorps local to you. They can be iffy on content but the real reason you attend is to interact with people.
I'll do that. They do message me pretty frequently.
It's a full time job. You'll be working as much on this as you are at your real job.
I'll just add it to the list of things to do:
Wedding Planning
Full-time job
Studying for CCIE
Family Expectations
Networking
Inevitable DeathIs the CCIE going to advance your career? Are you looking for a career in Cisco networking?
I'm looking into a career in networking, generally speaking. I think a lot of knowledge comes with studying those certs. That's the real objective.
What a general career in networking look like?
Doesn't have to be specifically Cisco
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@scottalanmiller said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
Be aware that networking careers are widely available and pay well but are very limiting. There is no networking in the SMB field. So you'd have to make the jump to enterprise which isn't bad in and of itself, but it is going to heavily limit your options.
I worked at a major hospital before I got the job here. At the time I was making less than I do now and only doing desktop support. While working there I started supporting a few doctors offices (friends of mine) and they had 7 rounds of layoffs. I was let go due to seniority. I took this job because I wanted to use it as a learning experience where I understood all aspects of running a businesses infrastructure.
Totally fine with enterprise.
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Organic Conversation derailmentHow much of the enterprise does Cisco own? I've never seen specific numbers so was curious.
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@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
Organic Conversation derailmentHow much of the enterprise does Cisco own? I've never seen specific numbers so was curious.
Unsure of exact numbers but I think they are the front-runner with HP and Dell competing.
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@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
Organic Conversation derailmentHow much of the enterprise does Cisco own? I've never seen specific numbers so was curious.
Unsure of exact number but I think they are the front-runner with HP and Dell competing.
I would think Enterasys and Juniper would be pretty big competitors. I'm not sure though I've never seen anything like this published.
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@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
Organic Conversation derailmentHow much of the enterprise does Cisco own? I've never seen specific numbers so was curious.
Unsure of exact number but I think they are the front-runner with HP and Dell competing.
I would think Enterasys and Juniper would be pretty big competitors. I'm not sure though I've never seen anything like this published.
Yes they are. Cisco being on top right now was the main point I was trying to get at not to include all of the competitors. My bad.
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@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@scottalanmiller said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
I think you guys have a mostly accurate assessment of my personality type. I'm sort of funny. I make sure everyone knows who I am and I have 99% positive relationships formed with everyone. I put my feelers out recently and have come up empty. Where should I be networking now? AA meetings?
Professional events. How often are you at meet ups for your technology choices, for example?
I'm going to Mangocon?
Check out SpiceCorps local to you. They can be iffy on content but the real reason you attend is to interact with people.
I'll do that. They do message me pretty frequently.
It's a full time job. You'll be working as much on this as you are at your real job.
I'll just add it to the list of things to do:
Wedding Planning
Full-time job
Studying for CCIE
Family Expectations
Networking
Inevitable DeathIs the CCIE going to advance your career? Are you looking for a career in Cisco networking?
I'm looking into a career in networking, generally speaking. I think a lot of knowledge comes with studying those certs. That's the real objective.
This is just personal experience here... but for me, I learned far more about networking after I landed a job in it than I ever did from getting my CCNA... It's very very important that you understand the principles of it, but not that you have every command memorized (unless you want the certs).
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@dafyre said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@scottalanmiller said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
I think you guys have a mostly accurate assessment of my personality type. I'm sort of funny. I make sure everyone knows who I am and I have 99% positive relationships formed with everyone. I put my feelers out recently and have come up empty. Where should I be networking now? AA meetings?
Professional events. How often are you at meet ups for your technology choices, for example?
I'm going to Mangocon?
Check out SpiceCorps local to you. They can be iffy on content but the real reason you attend is to interact with people.
I'll do that. They do message me pretty frequently.
It's a full time job. You'll be working as much on this as you are at your real job.
I'll just add it to the list of things to do:
Wedding Planning
Full-time job
Studying for CCIE
Family Expectations
Networking
Inevitable DeathIs the CCIE going to advance your career? Are you looking for a career in Cisco networking?
I'm looking into a career in networking, generally speaking. I think a lot of knowledge comes with studying those certs. That's the real objective.
This is just personal experience here... but for me, I learned far more about networking after I landed a job in it than I ever did from getting my CCNA... It's very very important that you understand the principles of it, but not that you have every command memorized (unless you want the certs).
I'm going to say this at the risk of triggering Scott but I haven't seen ANY jobs not require certs here. So yeah, you're probably right but I still need to get the certs to get the job. They will at least teach me conceptually. I can build from there.
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@wirestyle22 I've applied for Jobs that say "certs required blah blah blah" but the certs don't make up for experience.
The certs are a sign you're willing to learn, not that you're an expert.
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@DustinB3403 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 I've applied for Jobs that say "certs required blah blah blah" but the certs don't make up for experience.
The certs are a sign you're willing to learn, not that you're an expert.
I'm not an expert. I'm a decently(?) qualified learner. I don't know if I will ever feel like I'm an expert honestly. I'm not really made that way.
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I think a lot of the cert requiring is to scare away people who also wouldn't have experience. If you have experience you know you can do everything without the cert. But the kid down the road that works on people's laptops in his moms basement won't have the experience but would waste their time applying and saying he can do things when he can't.
I'll be willing to bet money that they wouldn't hire someone just based on certs or really even take it into consideration.
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@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@scottalanmiller said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
Be aware that networking careers are widely available and pay well but are very limiting. There is no networking in the SMB field. So you'd have to make the jump to enterprise which isn't bad in and of itself, but it is going to heavily limit your options.
I worked at a major hospital before I got the job here. At the time I was making less than I do now and only doing desktop support. While working there I started supporting a few doctors offices (friends of mine) and they had 7 rounds of layoffs. I was let go due to seniority. I took this job because I wanted to use it as a learning experience where I understood all aspects of running a businesses infrastructure.
Totally fine with enterprise.
Fine with it and fine being limited to it are not the same, though. Think of it in terms of long term life stability.
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@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
Organic Conversation derailmentHow much of the enterprise does Cisco own? I've never seen specific numbers so was curious.
Sadly, a lot.
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@scottalanmiller said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@scottalanmiller said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
Be aware that networking careers are widely available and pay well but are very limiting. There is no networking in the SMB field. So you'd have to make the jump to enterprise which isn't bad in and of itself, but it is going to heavily limit your options.
I worked at a major hospital before I got the job here. At the time I was making less than I do now and only doing desktop support. While working there I started supporting a few doctors offices (friends of mine) and they had 7 rounds of layoffs. I was let go due to seniority. I took this job because I wanted to use it as a learning experience where I understood all aspects of running a businesses infrastructure.
Totally fine with enterprise.
Fine with it and fine being limited to it are not the same, though. Think of it in terms of long term life stability.
If you get into an enterprise specialty you will, in most cases, be locked into it. You are the network guy who wouldn't have applicable experience, necessarily, to work on systems or desktops.
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@dafyre said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@scottalanmiller said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
I think you guys have a mostly accurate assessment of my personality type. I'm sort of funny. I make sure everyone knows who I am and I have 99% positive relationships formed with everyone. I put my feelers out recently and have come up empty. Where should I be networking now? AA meetings?
Professional events. How often are you at meet ups for your technology choices, for example?
I'm going to Mangocon?
Check out SpiceCorps local to you. They can be iffy on content but the real reason you attend is to interact with people.
I'll do that. They do message me pretty frequently.
It's a full time job. You'll be working as much on this as you are at your real job.
I'll just add it to the list of things to do:
Wedding Planning
Full-time job
Studying for CCIE
Family Expectations
Networking
Inevitable DeathIs the CCIE going to advance your career? Are you looking for a career in Cisco networking?
I'm looking into a career in networking, generally speaking. I think a lot of knowledge comes with studying those certs. That's the real objective.
This is just personal experience here... but for me, I learned far more about networking after I landed a job in it than I ever did from getting my CCNA... It's very very important that you understand the principles of it, but not that you have every command memorized (unless you want the certs).
The CCNA doesn't cover all that much, in reality.
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@johnhooks said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
I think a lot of the cert requiring is to scare away people who also wouldn't have experience. If you have experience you know you can do everything without the cert. But the kid down the road that works on people's laptops in his moms basement won't have the experience. I'll be willing to bet money that they wouldn't hire someone just based on certs or really even take it into consideration.
I guess I'm making an incorrect assumption where applying to a job I don't have certs for would result in me not getting an interview where you are saying my experience, which on paper does look great, would outweigh any certifications.
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@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@johnhooks said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
I think a lot of the cert requiring is to scare away people who also wouldn't have experience. If you have experience you know you can do everything without the cert. But the kid down the road that works on people's laptops in his moms basement won't have the experience. I'll be willing to bet money that they wouldn't hire someone just based on certs or really even take it into consideration.
I guess I'm making an incorrect assumption where applying to a job I don't have certs for would result in me not getting an interview where you are saying my experience, which on paper does look great, would outweigh any certifications.
In almost all cases.
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@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@dafyre said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@scottalanmiller said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
I think you guys have a mostly accurate assessment of my personality type. I'm sort of funny. I make sure everyone knows who I am and I have 99% positive relationships formed with everyone. I put my feelers out recently and have come up empty. Where should I be networking now? AA meetings?
Professional events. How often are you at meet ups for your technology choices, for example?
I'm going to Mangocon?
Check out SpiceCorps local to you. They can be iffy on content but the real reason you attend is to interact with people.
I'll do that. They do message me pretty frequently.
It's a full time job. You'll be working as much on this as you are at your real job.
I'll just add it to the list of things to do:
Wedding Planning
Full-time job
Studying for CCIE
Family Expectations
Networking
Inevitable DeathIs the CCIE going to advance your career? Are you looking for a career in Cisco networking?
I'm looking into a career in networking, generally speaking. I think a lot of knowledge comes with studying those certs. That's the real objective.
This is just personal experience here... but for me, I learned far more about networking after I landed a job in it than I ever did from getting my CCNA... It's very very important that you understand the principles of it, but not that you have every command memorized (unless you want the certs).
I'm going to say this at the risk of triggering Scott but I haven't seen ANY jobs not require certs here. So yeah, you're probably right but I still need to get the certs to get the job. They will at least teach me conceptually. I can build from there.
Yeah... like degrees that's just crap people put on their web postings. Means nothing.
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@scottalanmiller said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@dafyre said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@coliver said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@scottalanmiller said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
I think you guys have a mostly accurate assessment of my personality type. I'm sort of funny. I make sure everyone knows who I am and I have 99% positive relationships formed with everyone. I put my feelers out recently and have come up empty. Where should I be networking now? AA meetings?
Professional events. How often are you at meet ups for your technology choices, for example?
I'm going to Mangocon?
Check out SpiceCorps local to you. They can be iffy on content but the real reason you attend is to interact with people.
I'll do that. They do message me pretty frequently.
It's a full time job. You'll be working as much on this as you are at your real job.
I'll just add it to the list of things to do:
Wedding Planning
Full-time job
Studying for CCIE
Family Expectations
Networking
Inevitable DeathIs the CCIE going to advance your career? Are you looking for a career in Cisco networking?
I'm looking into a career in networking, generally speaking. I think a lot of knowledge comes with studying those certs. That's the real objective.
This is just personal experience here... but for me, I learned far more about networking after I landed a job in it than I ever did from getting my CCNA... It's very very important that you understand the principles of it, but not that you have every command memorized (unless you want the certs).
I'm going to say this at the risk of triggering Scott but I haven't seen ANY jobs not require certs here. So yeah, you're probably right but I still need to get the certs to get the job. They will at least teach me conceptually. I can build from there.
Yeah... like degrees that's just crap people put on their web postings. Means nothing.
Hm. I'll start putting out a lot more apps then and report back to you guys. We'll see what happens.
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@wirestyle22 said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
@johnhooks said in Ransomware Management Career Fork:
I think a lot of the cert requiring is to scare away people who also wouldn't have experience. If you have experience you know you can do everything without the cert. But the kid down the road that works on people's laptops in his moms basement won't have the experience. I'll be willing to bet money that they wouldn't hire someone just based on certs or really even take it into consideration.
I guess I'm making an incorrect assumption where applying to a job I don't have certs for would result in me not getting an interview where you are saying my experience, which on paper does look great, would outweigh any certifications.
That's what I've been saying about certs and degrees all along. Lots of jobs say that they require five years on a product that released last year. You don't think that just be requiring it that they are getting the impossible, right? Job postings are total BS 99% of the time. Everything on them is a lie. If you think resumes are full of false stuff, job postings are so much worse.
