Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product
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@coliver said
Why would this be a big deal? You've already got a few free management platforms for XS. From my understanding, I've never used it, OSMA is designed to manage the underlying hardware.
Hardware management while the server is running, made easy.
We discussed this a lot in my failing array thread.
iDrac leaves a lot to be desired, though @scottalanmiller found a waya round that with ... text commands!
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@scottalanmiller said
Yeah, looking forward to that. Hoping that QCOW is in there, too.
I've been following the posts on the betas. Looks like a lot of nice stuff is on its way. (And probably soon.)
Probably the day after I get my 6.5 system finished.
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@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@johnhooks said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@coliver said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@BRRABill said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
I mentioned this to @scottalanmiller when I was considering moving back to Hyper-V.
He didn't seem to think direct support of XS by OMSA was a big deal, so hopefully he'll chime in and comment.
Why would this be a big deal? You've already got a few free management platforms for XS. From my understanding, I've never used it, OSMA is designed to manage the underlying hardware.
And more importantly, the support needs to only exist for RHEL, not XenServer.
For now. Once support for 6 is gone, what's XS going to do?
RHEL 6 will be supported for a very long time and 7 for a super long time. I don't see much risk there.
Not that much longer. Phase 2 ends next year and complete EOL is 2020.
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@johnhooks said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@johnhooks said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@coliver said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@BRRABill said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
I mentioned this to @scottalanmiller when I was considering moving back to Hyper-V.
He didn't seem to think direct support of XS by OMSA was a big deal, so hopefully he'll chime in and comment.
Why would this be a big deal? You've already got a few free management platforms for XS. From my understanding, I've never used it, OSMA is designed to manage the underlying hardware.
And more importantly, the support needs to only exist for RHEL, not XenServer.
For now. Once support for 6 is gone, what's XS going to do?
RHEL 6 will be supported for a very long time and 7 for a super long time. I don't see much risk there.
Not that much longer. Phase 2 ends next year and complete EOL is 2020.
But don't we expect Dundee in months? Not.. you know, half a decade?
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@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@johnhooks said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@johnhooks said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@coliver said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@BRRABill said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
I mentioned this to @scottalanmiller when I was considering moving back to Hyper-V.
He didn't seem to think direct support of XS by OMSA was a big deal, so hopefully he'll chime in and comment.
Why would this be a big deal? You've already got a few free management platforms for XS. From my understanding, I've never used it, OSMA is designed to manage the underlying hardware.
And more importantly, the support needs to only exist for RHEL, not XenServer.
For now. Once support for 6 is gone, what's XS going to do?
RHEL 6 will be supported for a very long time and 7 for a super long time. I don't see much risk there.
Not that much longer. Phase 2 ends next year and complete EOL is 2020.
But don't we expect Dundee in months? Not.. you know, half a decade?
Not sure of their timeline. I was just making a point that 6 won't have support for "a very long time." 3 1/2 years is not a half a decade.
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@johnhooks said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@johnhooks said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@johnhooks said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@coliver said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@BRRABill said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
I mentioned this to @scottalanmiller when I was considering moving back to Hyper-V.
He didn't seem to think direct support of XS by OMSA was a big deal, so hopefully he'll chime in and comment.
Why would this be a big deal? You've already got a few free management platforms for XS. From my understanding, I've never used it, OSMA is designed to manage the underlying hardware.
And more importantly, the support needs to only exist for RHEL, not XenServer.
For now. Once support for 6 is gone, what's XS going to do?
RHEL 6 will be supported for a very long time and 7 for a super long time. I don't see much risk there.
Not that much longer. Phase 2 ends next year and complete EOL is 2020.
But don't we expect Dundee in months? Not.. you know, half a decade?
Not sure of their timeline. I was just making a point that 6 won't have support for "a very long time." 3 1/2 years is not a half a decade.
Looks to be over four years...
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@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@johnhooks said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@johnhooks said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@johnhooks said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@coliver said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@BRRABill said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
I mentioned this to @scottalanmiller when I was considering moving back to Hyper-V.
He didn't seem to think direct support of XS by OMSA was a big deal, so hopefully he'll chime in and comment.
Why would this be a big deal? You've already got a few free management platforms for XS. From my understanding, I've never used it, OSMA is designed to manage the underlying hardware.
And more importantly, the support needs to only exist for RHEL, not XenServer.
For now. Once support for 6 is gone, what's XS going to do?
RHEL 6 will be supported for a very long time and 7 for a super long time. I don't see much risk there.
Not that much longer. Phase 2 ends next year and complete EOL is 2020.
But don't we expect Dundee in months? Not.. you know, half a decade?
Not sure of their timeline. I was just making a point that 6 won't have support for "a very long time." 3 1/2 years is not a half a decade.
Looks to be over four years...
Idk where that graph came from but this is from Red Hat's site. https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata
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November 30, 2020 on your chart matches me chart and is 4.5 years away.
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@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
November 30, 2020 on your chart matches me chart and is 4.5 years away.
Ya I missed the November part. I was counting exclusively.
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Is my math wrong? 2020:11 - 2016:5 = 4years and 6 months yet of support? That's 4.5 years on the nose.
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@johnhooks said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
@scottalanmiller said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
November 30, 2020 on your chart matches me chart and is 4.5 years away.
Ya I missed the November part. I was counting exclusively.
Ah ha. My chart showed 2020, just the very end of it
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Still though, 4.5 years isn't that long. Considering it too almost 2 just to get from XS 6.2 to 6.5. But all this is moot anyway. I didn't realize Dundee was built on 7.
They probably packaged manually before so I'm guessing not much has changed, it's just you can get Xen from the repos any more with RHEL. You have to do some work.
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@johnhooks said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
Still though, 4.5 years isn't that long. Considering it too almost 2 just to get from XS 6.2 to 6.5. But all this is moot anyway. I didn't realize Dundee was built on 7.
7 on 7
There is really no way that they could not jump to 7 with the 7 release of XS.Don't forget that the stagnation in the 6.2 era was because of the Citrix to Linux handoff.
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This is a blog post discussing their choice of OS:
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I'm curious if we'll be able to perform a system upgrade when 7 drops, or if a clean installation is the only viable option.
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@DustinB3403 said in Dell dropping Citrix XenServer as a supported Product:
I'm curious if we'll be able to perform a system upgrade when 7 drops, or if a clean installation is the only viable option.
They have mentioned that upgrades will be possible. But that XS only know about XS configurations, so third party software will not be migrated with it.
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WOOT that's a big plus.
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@DustinB3403 said
WOOT that's a big plus.
If you don't have any custom stuff. Which I do not. So WOOT!
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I wonder what the VM migration process will be. If you have have 6.5 and 7.0 in the same pool then installing a clean hypervisor and Dom0 would make the most sense.
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I wonder if you could rolling pool upgrade to 7.0
I wonder how this would effect @halizard configurations...
