Common Core haters
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@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
I'd say that sports aren't just important but very important, sadly in the negative. They actively undermine the value of school as an educational institution. You can't spend six hours a day preparing for a sport and have any sort of life while maintaining class time, study time, healthy life time and, for most people, time to work.
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I've actually had teachers tell me, through a series of combinations, that high school is not there to teach anything, that's why they only see college education as valuable because high school is for sports and college is where you learn the things that we all assume people should have been learning in high school.
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@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
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@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
Yeah, in NY they lose a lot of them. In Texas it's huge business. But then again, absolutely no one cares about education in Texas. Honestly, if they didn't have the sports the whole state would tear itself apart so it's probably a good thing.
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@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
I'd say that sports aren't just important but very important, sadly in the negative. They actively undermine the value of school as an educational institution. You can't spend six hours a day preparing for a sport and have any sort of life while maintaining class time, study time, healthy life time and, for most people, time to work.
Which is why I mentioned the double negative. I disagree with school sanctioned sports as a principle. I can understand some benefits but there are a lot more negatives.
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@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
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@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
Ohio, Oklahoma and Texas are pretty crazy. The degree to which they are willing to give up education is insane.
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@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
It is the norm. In almost every highschool town you are going to have the this fanatical, home team, sports thing. I don't understand it but it exists. Even in my little town it is crazy.
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@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
It is the norm. In almost every highschool town you are going to have the this fanatical, home team, sports thing. I don't understand it but it exists. Even in my little town it is crazy.
Not where I was from. Not in the least. There was a small amount when our football team made it to tenth in state all class in 1990 or 1991, but that was it. It was minor. People came out to see them more than normal. It was interesting. But it was still background noise in the school day.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
It is the norm. In almost every highschool town you are going to have the this fanatical, home team, sports thing. I don't understand it but it exists. Even in my little town it is crazy.
Not where I was from. Not in the least. There was a small amount when our football team made it to tenth in state all class in 1990 or 1991, but that was it. It was minor. People came out to see them more than normal. It was interesting. But it was still background noise in the school day.
That's strange. I am from a small town surrounded by small towns. In each one Football and to a lesser extent Basketball (boys) is what people live and breathe. To the point where there have been issues in the past where students who were failing would be given a pass to play because it was a "big game".
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@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
F*** [moderated] that shit, it's pretty much from 5:00PM to 12:00AM around here.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
I'd say that sports aren't just important but very important, sadly in the negative. They actively undermine the value of school as an educational institution. You can't spend six hours a day preparing for a sport and have any sort of life while maintaining class time, study time, healthy life time and, for most people, time to work.
Which is why I mentioned the double negative. I disagree with school sanctioned sports as a principle. I can understand some benefits but there are a lot more negatives.
Agreed - I'm completely against sports in k-12 schools. Those expenses should be on those that want to participate, and charities that want to prop them up, not on the whole population.
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@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
It is the norm. In almost every highschool town you are going to have the this fanatical, home team, sports thing. I don't understand it but it exists. Even in my little town it is crazy.
It's so bad that my friend has fond memories of going town to town beating up other town's teams.. it's way worse in rural America from the sounds of it.
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
I'd say that sports aren't just important but very important, sadly in the negative. They actively undermine the value of school as an educational institution. You can't spend six hours a day preparing for a sport and have any sort of life while maintaining class time, study time, healthy life time and, for most people, time to work.
Which is why I mentioned the double negative. I disagree with school sanctioned sports as a principle. I can understand some benefits but there are a lot more negatives.
Agreed - I'm completely against sports in k-12 schools. Those expenses should be on those that want to participate, and charities that want to prop them up, not on the whole population.
And kids should not be rewarded, but penalized, for participating.
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
It is the norm. In almost every highschool town you are going to have the this fanatical, home team, sports thing. I don't understand it but it exists. Even in my little town it is crazy.
It's so bad that my friend has fond memories of going town to town beating up other town's teams.. it's way worse in rural America from the sounds of it.
Even where sports weren't a big thing we sometimes had to have police escorts because other teams would get so violent after losing a match.
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
Schools around here have threatened to shut down the sports programs in order to get voters to approve another tax hike...... only most schools either break even or make a little money from the sports programs (we're a bunch of US Football fanatics around here.)
We're talking high school right? Rarely do the cost of ticket fees and concessions do anything to put a dent in the cost of busing, uniforming, coaching, etc.
Let's just say, you don't want to be driving by a high school between 8 and 9 PM on a Friday night around here. I do agree that this is not the norm for most of the country.
It is the norm. In almost every highschool town you are going to have the this fanatical, home team, sports thing. I don't understand it but it exists. Even in my little town it is crazy.
It's so bad that my friend has fond memories of going town to town beating up other town's teams.. it's way worse in rural America from the sounds of it.
Oh... man that used the be the case. Even when I was in middle school the "older boys" would get in fights at parties and the like with the opposing town's teams. The town vs. town rivalry is insane where we are.
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
I'd say that sports aren't just important but very important, sadly in the negative. They actively undermine the value of school as an educational institution. You can't spend six hours a day preparing for a sport and have any sort of life while maintaining class time, study time, healthy life time and, for most people, time to work.
Which is why I mentioned the double negative. I disagree with school sanctioned sports as a principle. I can understand some benefits but there are a lot more negatives.
Agreed - I'm completely against sports in k-12 schools. Those expenses should be on those that want to participate, and charities that want to prop them up, not on the whole population.
I am not against sports. The really do (in good schools with good coaches) help teach kids dedication or responsibilities. However the school it's self shouldn't be paying for any of this.
This coming for someone who doesn't agree with pretty much anything they do in public schools so I homeschooled.
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@Minion-Queen said:
I am not against sports. The really do (in good schools with good coaches) help teach kids dedication or responsibilities.
Do they? They teach you that playing games might get you out of having to work or study. I always saw them as a means of undermining teaching dedication or responsibilities. They teach kids to deprioritize what matters for their future and to escape into small town, high school popularity contests.
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@Minion-Queen said:
@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@travisdh1 said:
@JaredBusch Just out of curiosity, have you every actually looked at the budgets for your local schools? It was eye opening for me. Something just isn't right if you can't give a good education for 1/3 of what our local schools are funded at.
Did you happen to notice how much of the budget was going to non-teaching related "stuff". Look at the percentage of the budget that goes toward sports for instance. I'm not saying sports are not important (that's another argument entirely). Look at the percentage that goes toward administration. The teaching budget by comparison is tiny.
I'd say that sports aren't just important but very important, sadly in the negative. They actively undermine the value of school as an educational institution. You can't spend six hours a day preparing for a sport and have any sort of life while maintaining class time, study time, healthy life time and, for most people, time to work.
Which is why I mentioned the double negative. I disagree with school sanctioned sports as a principle. I can understand some benefits but there are a lot more negatives.
Agreed - I'm completely against sports in k-12 schools. Those expenses should be on those that want to participate, and charities that want to prop them up, not on the whole population.
I am not against sports. The really do (in good schools with good coaches) help teach kids dedication or responsibilities. However the school it's self shouldn't be paying for any of this.
This coming for someone who doesn't agree with pretty much anything they do in public schools so I homeschooled.
I agree that sports programs themselves are often a good thing. They give local pride and help a few possibly have a better future, but in reality it really is only a few - perhaps so few as to make it not worth the expense - can't say for sure... but yes - should not be part of the education system at all, and should be solely privately funded.
If your poor and can't afford to pay to play, and you can't find someone willing to sponsor them.. well then perhaps that's not where they should really be putting their attention.
