How Big Will the Impact of Lets Encrypt Be?
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@JaredBusch said:
@coliver said:
@JaredBusch said:
When is ML going to have SSL? There is really not any reason not to do it. Either StartSSL for a 1 year cert of Let's Encrypt.
Either way, @Minion-Queen , just (make your minions) do it.
Out of curiosity what is the driver for ML to be encrypted? It isn't highly sensitive data and your password shouldn't be the same as anywhere else. I could understand from a reputation point-of-view but I don't, necessarily, see the technical one.
Because it is entirely possible to tie me to something by dropping a logging mechanism on anything on the internet through which my traffic passes on the journey to and from my computer and ML.
This is one of the core reasons that Let's Encrypt even exists. Secure everything as it flies around the internet.
Yes, ML is a public forum and a lot of user information is public by that very nature. But that does not mean everything should be public to every device on the way.
I am more public than most as I purport (muhaha, am I really Jared Busch?) to use my real name here and not a pseudonym.
I have no argument with encrypting everything (I am a supporter of it) but couldn't you be logged by a lower protocol even if the above traffic is encrypted?
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@dafyre said:
Case in point... I work for a BIG IT department, where I don't have control over the Firewall, etc, etc. Anything I say can be read by the IPS system at the edge of the campus network, unless it is SSL encrypted (they can do MITM attacks to decrypt that, but they aren't right now).
Really big ones tend to end the SSL at the wall so that they can see what is inside.
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@coliver said:
@JaredBusch said:
@coliver said:
@JaredBusch said:
When is ML going to have SSL? There is really not any reason not to do it. Either StartSSL for a 1 year cert of Let's Encrypt.
Either way, @Minion-Queen , just (make your minions) do it.
Out of curiosity what is the driver for ML to be encrypted? It isn't highly sensitive data and your password shouldn't be the same as anywhere else. I could understand from a reputation point-of-view but I don't, necessarily, see the technical one.
Because it is entirely possible to tie me to something by dropping a logging mechanism on anything on the internet through which my traffic passes on the journey to and from my computer and ML.
This is one of the core reasons that Let's Encrypt even exists. Secure everything as it flies around the internet.
Yes, ML is a public forum and a lot of user information is public by that very nature. But that does not mean everything should be public to every device on the way.
I am more public than most as I purport (muhaha, am I really Jared Busch?) to use my real name here and not a pseudonym.
I have no argument with encrypting everything (I am a supporter of it) but couldn't you be logged by a lower protocol even if the above traffic is encrypted?
If the traffic is encrypted, then nothing except my computer and the ML webserver or reverse proxy, if they use one, can know what is inside the packets.
Because of that, say someone with an IPS will know that IP 10.2.1.36 on their network was talking to the IP for ML. But they will not be able to look at the logs and see any of my information to tie it to me.
Obviously, in a corporate environment there are other ways to know who had what IP.
But in a public environment, as long as your device is not using some identifiable hostname, you should have a solid expectation of basic privacy.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Really big ones tend to end the SSL at the wall so that they can see what is inside.
And if someone is worried about that, it is easily detectable.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Really big ones tend to end the SSL at the wall so that they can see what is inside.
And if someone is worried about that, it is easily detectable.
yes, if you control your desktop.
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Do you think shared hosting company's will adopt this for there customers or will they want to keep trying to get them to buy certs from them?
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Will major company's start to adopt it? Banks? Microsoft? Google?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Really big ones tend to end the SSL at the wall so that they can see what is inside.
And if someone is worried about that, it is easily detectable.
yes, if you control your desktop.
If you do not control your desktop, then there is not point in any expectation of privacy of any kind, so that is not even a concern.
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@anonymous said:
Do you think shared hosting company's will adopt this for there customers or will they want to keep trying to get them to buy certs from them?
I think if the existing shared hosts do not start to offer it, you will find new shared hosts becoming popular. I fully believe that more than one of the existing shared hosts will go under when people abandon them for not doing so when their existing competitors do.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Really big ones tend to end the SSL at the wall so that they can see what is inside.
And if someone is worried about that, it is easily detectable.
yes, if you control your desktop.
If you do not control your desktop, then there is not point in any expectation of privacy of any kind, so that is not even a concern.
Quite right. I was shocked when I got here. First day boss said "What OS?"
I said Server 2012. "Join it to the domain?"
He said "Nope."
So I have complete and total control over my machine. Plus thanks to new security restrictions, I have to encrypt all of my drives with bitlocker. If I walk away from this machine, nobody can access it but me... Unless they want to format it, lol.
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@dafyre What happens if you lose your password? I hope you have the recovery key?
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@anonymous Saved on a jump drive. However, I have that password and know it well... It is not likely that I'll lose it.
... but I am also not perfect, so I have a plan B available! -
@coliver said:
@JaredBusch said:
When is ML going to have SSL? There is really not any reason not to do it. Either StartSSL for a 1 year cert of Let's Encrypt.
Either way, @Minion-Queen , just (make your minions) do it.
Out of curiosity what is the driver for ML to be encrypted? It isn't highly sensitive data and your password shouldn't be the same as anywhere else. I could understand from a reputation point-of-view but I don't, necessarily, see the technical one.
The driver for me is to encrypt everything on the internet. Due to the load on something like Netflix.... I give them a pass.... But the rest, just do it.
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Windows client in the works here
https://github.com/ebekker/ACMESharp/releases -
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@anonymous said:
I don't understand why anyone would use a site like that. Let's Encrypt certificates have to be renewed every 90 days (and the recommend that you do it every 60 in case of errors).
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A big benefit of Letsencrypt is the automation. The automation on a server box was already mentioned, but it goes further than that: you can create a VM or a liveCD or a docker container etc to distribute your server application and use Letsencrypt. Unlike today, you won't have to use a self-signed certificate or let the receiver of the VM add one by hand, you can generate one with Letsencrypt on the fly! That is a game changer for ISV's who want to simplify deployment for small business customers, really.
We intend to use it in our official ownCloud VM's (for home users and SMB) and it is also super interesting for our collaboration with Western Digital on creating a self hosting device based on a Raspberry Pi 2. And I'm looking forward to getting it on my server - right now, openSUSE isn't supported, I hope they take care of that soon.
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That's a great perspective!
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@jospoortvliet said:
A big benefit of Letsencrypt is the automation. The automation on a server box was already mentioned, but it goes further than that: you can create a VM or a liveCD or a docker container etc to distribute your server application and use Letsencrypt. Unlike today, you won't have to use a self-signed certificate or let the receiver of the VM add one by hand, you can generate one with Letsencrypt on the fly! That is a game changer for ISV's who want to simplify deployment for small business customers, really.
We intend to use it in our official ownCloud VM's (for home users and SMB) and it is also super interesting for our collaboration with Western Digital on creating a self hosting device based on a Raspberry Pi 2. And I'm looking forward to getting it on my server - right now, openSUSE isn't supported, I hope they take care of that soon.
I understand your concept, but how will you decide on the DNS name to register? and then how will that get "known" to the world?
You setup device XYZ and it auto registers with Let's Encrypt with XYZSerial.productdomain.com
Do you also have the device connect to a DDNS so it can be accessible? What do you do about the local DNS? Pray the hairpin routing works?
