How Big Will the Impact of Lets Encrypt Be?
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@dafyre said:
@coliver said:
@JaredBusch said:
@coliver said:
You could make the keys in Linux and move them to a Windows box. They don't seem to support Windows yet though.
I am going to be doing that sometime this week in fact.
Yep, I was looking at it earlier. The PEM keys look like they should be compatible with the Windows Certificate store.
Then the issue becomes scripting it in such a way that it can be automated on Windows too... Especially since the cert lifetime is only 90 days.
Yep, that is a concern. I can probably work up a short script on Linux to move the files to a Windows box. Then write a powershell script to replace a certificate file and private key. I'm not sure if you can interact with the certificate store with powershell though.
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@coliver said:
@dafyre said:
@coliver said:
@JaredBusch said:
@coliver said:
You could make the keys in Linux and move them to a Windows box. They don't seem to support Windows yet though.
I am going to be doing that sometime this week in fact.
Yep, I was looking at it earlier. The PEM keys look like they should be compatible with the Windows Certificate store.
Then the issue becomes scripting it in such a way that it can be automated on Windows too... Especially since the cert lifetime is only 90 days.
Yep, that is a concern. I can probably work up a short script on Linux to move the files to a Windows box. Then write a powershell script to replace a certificate file and private key. I'm not sure if you can interact with the certificate store with powershell though.
It looks like it is possible... http://blogs.technet.com/b/scotts-it-blog/archive/2014/12/30/working-with-certificates-in-powershell.aspx
Not sure what version of Powershell that is yet... I just glanced over the article and don't see any requirements... I would assume At least PS 3.0 (Article was written Dec 30, 2014)
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When is ML going to have SSL? There is really not any reason not to do it. Either StartSSL for a 1 year cert of Let's Encrypt.
Either way, @Minion-Queen , just (make your minions) do it.
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@JaredBusch said:
When is ML going to have SSL? There is really not any reason not to do it. Either StartSSL for a 1 year cert of Let's Encrypt.
Either way, @Minion-Queen , just (make your minions) do it.
Out of curiosity what is the driver for ML to be encrypted? It isn't highly sensitive data and your password shouldn't be the same as anywhere else. I could understand from a reputation point-of-view but I don't, necessarily, see the technical one.
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@coliver To protect our login information
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@anonymous said:
@coliver To protect our login information
Right, but why? Do you use your login information for other more secure websites? That is a bad practice even when both websites are using encryption.
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@coliver said:
@JaredBusch said:
When is ML going to have SSL? There is really not any reason not to do it. Either StartSSL for a 1 year cert of Let's Encrypt.
Either way, @Minion-Queen , just (make your minions) do it.
Out of curiosity what is the driver for ML to be encrypted? It isn't highly sensitive data and your password shouldn't be the same as anywhere else. I could understand from a reputation point-of-view but I don't, necessarily, see the technical one.
Because it is entirely possible to tie me to something by dropping a logging mechanism on anything on the internet through which my traffic passes on the journey to and from my computer and ML.
This is one of the core reasons that Let's Encrypt even exists. Secure everything as it flies around the internet.
Yes, ML is a public forum and a lot of user information is public by that very nature. But that does not mean everything should be public to every device on the way.
I am more public than most as I purport (muhaha, am I really Jared Busch?) to use my real name here and not a pseudonym.
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Case in point... I work for a BIG IT department, where I don't have control over the Firewall, etc, etc. Anything I say can be read by the IPS system at the edge of the campus network, unless it is SSL encrypted (they can do MITM attacks to decrypt that, but they aren't right now).
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@JaredBusch said:
@coliver said:
@JaredBusch said:
When is ML going to have SSL? There is really not any reason not to do it. Either StartSSL for a 1 year cert of Let's Encrypt.
Either way, @Minion-Queen , just (make your minions) do it.
Out of curiosity what is the driver for ML to be encrypted? It isn't highly sensitive data and your password shouldn't be the same as anywhere else. I could understand from a reputation point-of-view but I don't, necessarily, see the technical one.
Because it is entirely possible to tie me to something by dropping a logging mechanism on anything on the internet through which my traffic passes on the journey to and from my computer and ML.
This is one of the core reasons that Let's Encrypt even exists. Secure everything as it flies around the internet.
Yes, ML is a public forum and a lot of user information is public by that very nature. But that does not mean everything should be public to every device on the way.
I am more public than most as I purport (muhaha, am I really Jared Busch?) to use my real name here and not a pseudonym.
I have no argument with encrypting everything (I am a supporter of it) but couldn't you be logged by a lower protocol even if the above traffic is encrypted?
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@dafyre said:
Case in point... I work for a BIG IT department, where I don't have control over the Firewall, etc, etc. Anything I say can be read by the IPS system at the edge of the campus network, unless it is SSL encrypted (they can do MITM attacks to decrypt that, but they aren't right now).
Really big ones tend to end the SSL at the wall so that they can see what is inside.
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@coliver said:
@JaredBusch said:
@coliver said:
@JaredBusch said:
When is ML going to have SSL? There is really not any reason not to do it. Either StartSSL for a 1 year cert of Let's Encrypt.
Either way, @Minion-Queen , just (make your minions) do it.
Out of curiosity what is the driver for ML to be encrypted? It isn't highly sensitive data and your password shouldn't be the same as anywhere else. I could understand from a reputation point-of-view but I don't, necessarily, see the technical one.
Because it is entirely possible to tie me to something by dropping a logging mechanism on anything on the internet through which my traffic passes on the journey to and from my computer and ML.
This is one of the core reasons that Let's Encrypt even exists. Secure everything as it flies around the internet.
Yes, ML is a public forum and a lot of user information is public by that very nature. But that does not mean everything should be public to every device on the way.
I am more public than most as I purport (muhaha, am I really Jared Busch?) to use my real name here and not a pseudonym.
I have no argument with encrypting everything (I am a supporter of it) but couldn't you be logged by a lower protocol even if the above traffic is encrypted?
If the traffic is encrypted, then nothing except my computer and the ML webserver or reverse proxy, if they use one, can know what is inside the packets.
Because of that, say someone with an IPS will know that IP 10.2.1.36 on their network was talking to the IP for ML. But they will not be able to look at the logs and see any of my information to tie it to me.
Obviously, in a corporate environment there are other ways to know who had what IP.
But in a public environment, as long as your device is not using some identifiable hostname, you should have a solid expectation of basic privacy.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Really big ones tend to end the SSL at the wall so that they can see what is inside.
And if someone is worried about that, it is easily detectable.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Really big ones tend to end the SSL at the wall so that they can see what is inside.
And if someone is worried about that, it is easily detectable.
yes, if you control your desktop.
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Do you think shared hosting company's will adopt this for there customers or will they want to keep trying to get them to buy certs from them?
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Will major company's start to adopt it? Banks? Microsoft? Google?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Really big ones tend to end the SSL at the wall so that they can see what is inside.
And if someone is worried about that, it is easily detectable.
yes, if you control your desktop.
If you do not control your desktop, then there is not point in any expectation of privacy of any kind, so that is not even a concern.
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@anonymous said:
Do you think shared hosting company's will adopt this for there customers or will they want to keep trying to get them to buy certs from them?
I think if the existing shared hosts do not start to offer it, you will find new shared hosts becoming popular. I fully believe that more than one of the existing shared hosts will go under when people abandon them for not doing so when their existing competitors do.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Really big ones tend to end the SSL at the wall so that they can see what is inside.
And if someone is worried about that, it is easily detectable.
yes, if you control your desktop.
If you do not control your desktop, then there is not point in any expectation of privacy of any kind, so that is not even a concern.
Quite right. I was shocked when I got here. First day boss said "What OS?"
I said Server 2012. "Join it to the domain?"
He said "Nope."
So I have complete and total control over my machine. Plus thanks to new security restrictions, I have to encrypt all of my drives with bitlocker. If I walk away from this machine, nobody can access it but me... Unless they want to format it, lol.
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@dafyre What happens if you lose your password? I hope you have the recovery key?
