SOHO and SMB Cloud Storage Recommendations
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@Jason said:
This company is hard to go wrong with. We use them for backups of traveling sales people's laptops\tablets.
http://www.nitrobackup.comI'm looking for more of a "local server replacement"
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ODfB has an online recycle bin, so even is a user deletes something, it can be recovered for 30 days.
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@BRRABill said:
And I don't necessarily mean an exact mimic of what they are doing. I just want them to be able to save files in a way (such as from explorer) that makes sense to them.
And what I'm recommending is considering doing some training and helping them to understand why that might be unnecessarily complicated. It depends what they are working with but MS Word, for example, can integrate with ODfB directly and make the need to work with the filesystem completely unnecessary. An entire level of complication that could be simply bypassed.
This is how the easiest computing model today, the Chromebooks are changing how people view storage. Most users are already used to this idea from their phones where storing local files is not something that they normally do but instead allow apps to access files locally or online through the apps rather than interacting through file system management utilities.
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Check this thread where we were discussing this very topic last week...
http://mangolassi.it/topic/6748/do-we-still-need-file-protocols-today
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@scottalanmiller said:
I know of no consumer product that gives you both sync as well as backup.
I'm not sure what you mean here. Both Google Drive and Onedrive have both a recycle bin for restoring deleted files and a version history to restore previous versions of existing files (though I think Onedrive only supports Office documents). I presume all consumer products work like this.
@BRRABill if you deleted a file it should be in the recycle bin on the Onedrive website.
I use livedrive.com and set it to backup user's local "My Documents" directory. I've had a few issues with it and am looking at replacing it, probably with Google Drive, but it's been a life safer over the years when users have lost or deleted files.
I'm not convinced that consumer products are any less robust than so called "enterprise products". In the case of Dropbox and Google, I thought their consumer and enterprise products were basically identical, and in the case of Microsoft, I suspect that their consumer product (OneDrive) is actually more robust than their enterprise product (ODfB).
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I know of no consumer product that gives you both sync as well as backup.
I'm not sure what you mean here. Both Google Drive and Onedrive have both a recycle bin for restoring deleted files and a version history to restore previous versions of existing files (though I think Onedrive only supports Office documents). I presume all consumer products work like this.
I was basing that off of @BRRABill's statement that OneDrive specifically did not offer that functionality. I do not have a working OneDrive (several months of being broken now) to test or verify. I was a bit surprised but was taking him at his word. I only know that the commercial business systems have protections for this.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
OneDrive is supposed to delete in both places together because it is a mirror, it's not a lack of robustness.Yes but something like DropBox for Business has backups to restore from. OneDrive said .. so, so sorry.
True, but you are then comparing the enterprise product to the consumer one. I know of no consumer product that gives you both sync as well as backup. The question would be "does normal Dropbox give you that?"
Regular Dropbox has a "recycle bin" or something to that effect. If you delete the files accidentally, you can get them back. However, it's only if they're deleted through the web interface.
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Since when is the Recycle Bin counted as a Backup? I hope that's not what you consider backups.
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@Jason said:
Since when is the Recycle Bin counted as a Backup? I hope that's not what you consider backups.
I don't think anyone does. Just pointing out that if you accidentally delete a file you can get it back.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@BRRABill if you deleted a file it should be in the recycle bin on the Onedrive website.
Holy cow there is a Recycle Bin.
I never check online, so I didn't know that was there.
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BTW, it looks like at least Dropbox for Business has some nice versioning features and things like that.
I will have to take a look at all the options presented.
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@BRRABill said:
BTW, it looks like at least Dropbox for Business has some nice versioning features and things like that.
I will have to take a look at all the options presented.
That's copied from SharePoint. We've had that in the SharePoint world for way more than a decade. That people have been working without versioning for documents seem like they are in the dark ages to me. That's been a basic feature for so long that I start to forget that people might not have it anymore. @ntg moved to that in 2003.
Also, in later revisions, you know that Office 365 and/or SharePoint will let you not just host and version files but work on them simultaneously while seeing each other working and collaborating inside of the application.
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Is O365 storage separate than OneDrive for Business?
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@BRRABill said:
Is O365 storage separate than OneDrive for Business?
O365 is purely the licensing. O365 offers the Sharepoint and its associated ODfB products hosted. You can also get the same products and host yourself. It is just Microsoft hosting their top end products on your behalf.
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So it would be a close/even/ competitor to DropBox for Business?
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Just to throw another one in, Box.com does versioning and has a decent amount of add on apps.
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@BRRABill said:
So it would be a close/even/ competitor to DropBox for Business?
They are very similar. ODfB integrates with the whole O365 stack, though, so if you have that nothing will compare.
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@scottalanmiller said:
They are very similar. ODfB integrates with the whole O365 stack, though, so if you have that nothing will compare.
Yeah as you know, as much as I complain I do like Microsoft, and almost everyone else I deal with also does.
So I'll have to look into ODfB.
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The Office 365 suite is really nice because of the high degree of integration. Google Apps has just as good integration but lacks the broad set of applications. It's having both the integration as well as the local MS Office suite, the really large set of MS Office components and the mix of Exchange and SharePoint that brings it all together.
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As nice as O365 is for us it just doesn't make financial sense with O365 E3 . We are looking at Exchange Online Plan 2 though.
