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@scottalanmiller said:
2007 doesn't work completely with a modern MS ecosystem nor with third party products.
Notable examples: Outlook 2016 no longer functions with Exchange 2007 and I was told this morning that Exchange 2016 no longer supports Outlook 2007 either.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
When you buy once every 10 years, $300 isn't so hard to swallow.
That's $30/year while not getting a lot of the benefits of the ecosystem. That's not "expensive" but it is still money going out the door. And that's per user, it adds up. It's $300 that doesn't need to be swallowed. It's not how big the pill is, really, it's whether it needs to be swallowed.
This is why I looked heavily at leaving MS Office in 2008, but management decided the expense of Office didn't outweigh the other issues.
There are lots of times that the cost is worthwhile. I'm not against MS Office. I'm just a huge believer in embracing the ecosystem that you choose.
Apparently so have they been - while they were way less than happy - we've maintained our $25K+ a year SA agreement for Office and Exchange.
Though, as I've mentioned in the past, when the current SA is gettting close to retirement, I'll be looking to move us to O365, saving us over $15K a year just in licensing.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
2007 doesn't work completely with a modern MS ecosystem nor with third party products.
Notable examples: Outlook 2016 no longer functions with Exchange 2007 and I was told this morning that Exchange 2016 no longer supports Outlook 2007 either.
The general rule of Office and Exchange is two versions either direction. I.e. Office 2016 support Exchange 2010 - two versions after Exchange 2016.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
Figured once every 10 years would be a good goal.
Why not make the move to LibreOffice once and have zero cost and no update issues indefinitely? What drives you to pay for, but not leverage, the MS ecosystem?
How are you not leveraging?
To some degree, you are, but you are not using "what people see at home" or "MS support ecosystem" or other aspects that you get when you keep up with everyone else. For example, if you go to work and use 2007 today, that's likely far behind what you have been using at home or school for many years. So your begin to get farther and farther away from the top selling point of MS Office - that your users are used to it at home.
As you keep something for this long, support from Microsoft and their partners begins to dwindle. Patches remain for a while but tools, plugins, compatibility and whatnot begin to fade. 2007 doesn't work completely with a modern MS ecosystem nor with third party products. You start spending time figuring out what information applies to systems no one tests or talks about any more.
Things like that.
Never had any issues here. If these issues WERE to occur, of course we'd look into changing.
And then people would still want Office at home, and we'd have the same issues.
I'd have to agree with this in general.
As for people having office at home, If they have Office at home, how many of them likely got it from their office? Sure some schools these days have Office licenses that can be installed at home, but definitely not all.
I haven't seen Office installed at home in general for probably 4 years.
Surprisingly - lately I've actually started seeing LibreOffice on a few.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
2007 doesn't work completely with a modern MS ecosystem nor with third party products.
Notable examples: Outlook 2016 no longer functions with Exchange 2007 and I was told this morning that Exchange 2016 no longer supports Outlook 2007 either.
Great example. This will happen more and more as products age.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
2007 doesn't work completely with a modern MS ecosystem nor with third party products.
Notable examples: Outlook 2016 no longer functions with Exchange 2007 and I was told this morning that Exchange 2016 no longer supports Outlook 2007 either.
Great example. This will happen more and more as products age.
This is something affecting me with my last client to still be on SBS 2008. I have had to purchase a couple Office 2013 Home and Business licenses retail in the last couple weeks because of it.
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@Dashrender said:
Surprisingly - lately I've actually started seeing LibreOffice on a few.
That's always what I recommend unless they have a given need for Office.
Which can be a SO/kid who wants it.
In which case I recommend O365, the family one.
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@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
Figured once every 10 years would be a good goal.
Why not make the move to LibreOffice once and have zero cost and no update issues indefinitely? What drives you to pay for, but not leverage, the MS ecosystem?
How are you not leveraging?
To some degree, you are, but you are not using "what people see at home" or "MS support ecosystem" or other aspects that you get when you keep up with everyone else. For example, if you go to work and use 2007 today, that's likely far behind what you have been using at home or school for many years. So your begin to get farther and farther away from the top selling point of MS Office - that your users are used to it at home.
As you keep something for this long, support from Microsoft and their partners begins to dwindle. Patches remain for a while but tools, plugins, compatibility and whatnot begin to fade. 2007 doesn't work completely with a modern MS ecosystem nor with third party products. You start spending time figuring out what information applies to systems no one tests or talks about any more.
Things like that.
Never had any issues here. If these issues WERE to occur, of course we'd look into changing.
And then people would still want Office at home, and we'd have the same issues.
I'd have to agree with this in general.
As for people having office at home, If they have Office at home, how many of them likely got it from their office? Sure some schools these days have Office licenses that can be installed at home, but definitely not all.
I haven't seen Office installed at home in general for probably 4 years.
Surprisingly - lately I've actually started seeing LibreOffice on a few.
Seems like that would suggest that there is a strong reason to migrate to LibreOffice. MS Office at home was touted strongly as the reason why people could not switch over.
Although I've seen a lot of MS Office at home since MS has gone to great length to let people take their office Office home.
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@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
Surprisingly - lately I've actually started seeing LibreOffice on a few.
That's always what I recommend unless they have a given need for Office.
Which can be a SO/kid who wants it.
In which case I recommend O365, the family one.
I actually recommend Google Docs unless there is a specific need for MS Office.
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@Dashrender said:
I actually recommend Google Docs unless there is a specific need for MS Office.
So far I have found people to be resistant to cloud apps.
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@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
Surprisingly - lately I've actually started seeing LibreOffice on a few.
That's always what I recommend unless they have a given need for Office.
Which can be a SO/kid who wants it.
In which case I recommend O365, the family one.
I actually recommend Google Docs unless there is a specific need for MS Office.
Here too, mostly because I recommend Chromebooks so often.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Although I've seen a lot of MS Office at home since MS has gone to great length to let people take their office Office home.
Software Assurance allows employees to get Office for $10 for use at home. Additionally - if an employee has O365 through work, and assuming they have a full local install account level, they probably have enough licenses after installing everywhere needed for their office, they can probably still install it on a home computer or two.
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@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
I actually recommend Google Docs unless there is a specific need for MS Office.
So far I have found people to be resistant to cloud apps.
Don't take this as a personal thing, but I only find that when they are not fully or properly explained. I find everyone resistant to them until they understand why they are better for them. Safer, easier, cheaper... those are hard things not to like.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
Surprisingly - lately I've actually started seeing LibreOffice on a few.
That's always what I recommend unless they have a given need for Office.
Which can be a SO/kid who wants it.
In which case I recommend O365, the family one.
I actually recommend Google Docs unless there is a specific need for MS Office.
Here too, mostly because I recommend Chromebooks so often.
I logically understand the Chromebooks - but I just can't bring myself to ever recommend them.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Although I've seen a lot of MS Office at home since MS has gone to great length to let people take their office Office home.
Software Assurance allows employees to get Office for $10 for use at home. Additionally - if an employee has O365 through work, and assuming they have a full local install account level, they probably have enough licenses after installing everywhere needed for their office, they can probably still install it on a home computer or two.
Yeah, which is why it was designed that way, I think.
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@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
I actually recommend Google Docs unless there is a specific need for MS Office.
So far I have found people to be resistant to cloud apps.
If someone tries to resist, I call them stupid and charge them more.
Seriously. I do it politely, but my time goes up because of all the time proving how stupid they are.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
I actually recommend Google Docs unless there is a specific need for MS Office.
So far I have found people to be resistant to cloud apps.
Don't take this as a personal thing, but I only find that when they are not fully or properly explained. I find everyone resistant to them until they understand why they are better for them. Safer, easier, cheaper... those are hard things not to like.
Yep - same here. Once I tell them there is NO cost and NO setup for Google Docs.. most people try them right out.
While O365 Personal/Home isn't free, it's a pretty damned good value for the price.
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@JaredBusch I think that we had switched to discussing home users in that instance, so not charging them here. But the same basic stance - I make sure that they understand that they are being emotional, irrational and generally ridiculous. I don't empower them by making them feel like I respect their decision. If they have good reasons, fine. If they are just being biased, emotional or nuts I don't let people get away with that and I make sure that they realize that I know they are doing it and have called them out on it. It's their decision, but I'm not going to empower them to make emotional decisions by acting like their cognitive failures are socially acceptable.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@JaredBusch I think that we had switched to discussing home users in that instance, so not charging them here. But the same basic stance - I make sure that they understand that they are being emotional, irrational and generally ridiculous. I don't empower them by making them feel like I respect their decision. If they have good reasons, fine. If they are just being biased, emotional or nuts I don't let people get away with that and I make sure that they realize that I know they are doing it and have called them out on it. It's their decision, but I'm not going to empower them to make emotional decisions by acting like their cognitive failures are socially acceptable.
I kind of feel that way, but if they really want to use O365, I don't have a problem with it.
I have found if you are doing a lot of work, the non-Office programs mess up formatting when going between programs. At least it used to. Shoot, we even have issues between Office versions, but they are usually pretty good.
When they do something in Word at work, and then want to edit it at home, or vice cersa, and the pages are all messed up, the SO gets a call, then I get a call.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@JaredBusch I think that we had switched to discussing home users in that instance, so not charging them here. But the same basic stance - I make sure that they understand that they are being emotional, irrational and generally ridiculous. I don't empower them by making them feel like I respect their decision. If they have good reasons, fine. If they are just being biased, emotional or nuts I don't let people get away with that and I make sure that they realize that I know they are doing it and have called them out on it. It's their decision, but I'm not going to empower them to make emotional decisions by acting like their cognitive failures are socially acceptable.
I kind of feel that way, but if they really want to use O365, I don't have a problem with it.
O365 offers an online cloud hosted version too.
