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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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      @BRRABill said:

      @Dashrender said:

      OneDrive doesn't really tap into local storage other than keeping a sync'ed copy of files local. Normal Apps access those files through OneDrive, not directly to the file path, at least by default.

      Is that how it works? I always assumed it did the stuff all local, and then just synced the changes.

      Nope, because a lot of those apps don't talk to anything local and the online ones don't even have that option.

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      • BRRABillB
        BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said:

        Nope, because a lot of those apps don't talk to anything local and the online ones don't even have that option.

        I am thinking local apps, again because that is what I use. 🙂

        For example, I am sure Word 2007 has no idea what OneDrive is.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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          @BRRABill said:

          @scottalanmiller said:

          Nope, because a lot of those apps don't talk to anything local and the online ones don't even have that option.

          I am thinking local apps, again because that is what I use. 🙂

          For example, I am sure Word 2007 has no idea what OneDrive is.

          Only works because you are using old versions. Word doesn't have this option, just Word from a different era does. Assuming this decade, current systems.

          Why do you have all these ancient apps? Office 2007 is seriously old.

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          • BRRABillB
            BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said:

            Only works because you are using old versions. Word doesn't have this option, just Word from a different era does. Assuming this decade, current systems.

            Why do you have all these ancient apps? Office 2007 is seriously old.

            It works for what I need.

            I could use a typewriter, probably.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
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              Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?

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              • MattSpellerM
                MattSpeller @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said:

                Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?

                Cost of retraining users can be prohibitive for small companies.

                Also, is it 100% compatible with all the funky macro's and lord knows what other garbage our users have created?

                Will it still be there in 10 years? If we invest in the training will this company still be around making and updating it?

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                • stacksofplatesS
                  stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?

                  Another decent one I've used for Linux is WPS Office. It's free on Linux and has the ribbon interface.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
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                    WPS? Who makes that?

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                    • stacksofplatesS
                      stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      WPS? Who makes that?

                      Used to be Kingsoft. It started on Android and they made a full suite.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @MattSpeller
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                        @MattSpeller said:

                        Cost of retraining users can be prohibitive for small companies.

                        Exactly. LibreOffice lets you retain the same people and the same training decade after decade with the lowest cost up front and the lowest cost for training and you get to stay up to date and compatible with the least interruption and impact. Why go to all of the problems associated with running long outdated versions of Office, especially a version that had just caused the big Ribbon re-training?

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @MattSpeller
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                          @MattSpeller said:

                          Also, is it 100% compatible with all the funky macro's and lord knows what other garbage our users have created?

                          Will 2007? That stuff causes problems there moreso than on LibreOffice from what little exposure I've had. But that's talking about migrating now, I'm asking how the situation arose.

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                          • stacksofplatesS
                            stacksofplates @MattSpeller
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                            @MattSpeller said:

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?

                            Cost of retraining users can be prohibitive for small companies.

                            Also, is it 100% compatible with all the funky macro's and lord knows what other garbage our users have created?

                            Will it still be there in 10 years? If we invest in the training will this company still be around making and updating it?

                            I'm sure it will still be around. There are governments that have switched to the odt format.

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?

                              I looked at moving from Office 2003 to LibreOffice and other options 8 years ago. All of our templates would have had to be completely redesigned, and MS Word files often didn't maintain the correct formatting. Maybe this isn't so much of a problem today?

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @MattSpeller
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                                @MattSpeller said:

                                Will it still be there in 10 years? If we invest in the training will this company still be around making and updating it?

                                You have made three strong cases for going to LibreOffice. I see you are as questioning of this as me. Yeah, LibreOffice has been around for 30 years and is open source protecting it from being shut down my its vendor when users still want it. So MS Office poses a bit threat that MS might decide that it costs too much to make or support or no longer fits their vision and it just goes away.

                                The reasons to not be on old versions of MS Office are very strong.

                                Why why do people do it?

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                                • stacksofplatesS
                                  stacksofplates @Dashrender
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                                  @Dashrender said:

                                  @scottalanmiller said:

                                  Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?

                                  I looked at moving from Office 2003 to LibreOffice and other options 8 years ago. All of our templates would have had to be completely redesigned, and MS Word files often didn't maintain the correct formatting. Maybe this isn't so much of a problem today?

                                  What's the cost to change templates and formatting vs buying multiple licenses for office for multiple years though?

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    @Dashrender said:

                                    @scottalanmiller said:

                                    Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?

                                    I looked at moving from Office 2003 to LibreOffice and other options 8 years ago. All of our templates would have had to be completely redesigned, and MS Word files often didn't maintain the correct formatting. Maybe this isn't so much of a problem today?

                                    It's a problem going MS Office to MS Office as well as going to LibreOffice. No idea which is better or worse. The nice thing about LibreOffice is once you make the switch those things mostly drop to zero.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
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                                      @johnhooks said:

                                      @Dashrender said:

                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?

                                      I looked at moving from Office 2003 to LibreOffice and other options 8 years ago. All of our templates would have had to be completely redesigned, and MS Word files often didn't maintain the correct formatting. Maybe this isn't so much of a problem today?

                                      What's the cost to change templates and formatting vs buying multiple licenses for office for multiple years though?

                                      And for the indefinite future. One is a one time cost, one is a recurring one.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
                                        last edited by

                                        @johnhooks said:

                                        @scottalanmiller said:

                                        WPS? Who makes that?

                                        Used to be Kingsoft. It started on Android and they made a full suite.

                                        Doesn't appear to be open. That adds a lot of risk.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                          last edited by

                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?

                                          I looked at moving from Office 2003 to LibreOffice and other options 8 years ago. All of our templates would have had to be completely redesigned, and MS Word files often didn't maintain the correct formatting. Maybe this isn't so much of a problem today?

                                          It's a problem going MS Office to MS Office as well as going to LibreOffice. No idea which is better or worse. The nice thing about LibreOffice is once you make the switch those things mostly drop to zero.

                                          We haven't seen any issues moving from 2003-2007-2010-2013. Of course we aren't really using that advanced of templating. But even so, back in 2008 when we tried it.. the pre existing files looked like hell when opening them in Open Office specifically (don't recall the results for LibraOffice - is it really around then?)

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                                          • DashrenderD
                                            Dashrender @stacksofplates
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                                            @johnhooks said:

                                            @Dashrender said:

                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?

                                            I looked at moving from Office 2003 to LibreOffice and other options 8 years ago. All of our templates would have had to be completely redesigned, and MS Word files often didn't maintain the correct formatting. Maybe this isn't so much of a problem today?

                                            What's the cost to change templates and formatting vs buying multiple licenses for office for multiple years though?

                                            Oh my point was why to stay put. You can stay on office 2007 or whatever and your stuff will keep working. If you don't need the new versions, why bother upgrading and spending any money at all?

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