Backup File Server to DAS
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@IT-ADMIN said:
no, no
what i was thinking is that SAN is very expensive, this is what makes me choosing DAS over itBut we aren't talking about SAN at all, DAS and NAS. SAN should not have entered the discussion.
But SAN and DAS are always the same price as they are just two ways to hook up the same thing.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
i learned from the spicework virtualization course that SAN is the most expensive one for this reason SAN was the last option on my list
External storage is the most expensive, but all external storage is expensive if you don't need it. You are talking about comparing a SAN to having "Nothing". Of course buying something is more expensive than having nothing.
The only reason that SAN exists, in theory, is to lower costs as it has no other advantage other than saving money at large scale.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
no, no
what i was thinking is that SAN is very expensive, this is what makes me choosing DAS over itBut we aren't talking about SAN at all, DAS and NAS. SAN should not have entered the discussion.
But SAN and DAS are always the same price as they are just two ways to hook up the same thing.
so you told me that SAN and DAS are always the same price
what do you think about this
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i get a badge from SW based on a test regarding this
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@IT-ADMIN said:
i get a badge from SW based on a test regarding this
but it looks like this course not having exact informationSpiceworks is a marketing company, they are not an IT or technical company. They know nothing about this stuff. That's like getting a badge from a hot dog vendor saying that you are good at Systems Administration because they sell lots of hot dogs to IT people. Why would you get information like that from someone not in IT?
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when i see SAN : money falling from heaven, i remove the SAN from my list lol
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@IT-ADMIN said:
what do you think about this
I think that you need to work on identifying when someone is in marketing or sales rather than an IT professional. Spiceworks is completely the wrong place to be getting that kind of information. They are only there to sell things for the vendors who sponsor them, nothing else. Why would marketing interns have any idea what a SAN even means?
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@IT-ADMIN said:
but it looks like this course not having exact information
There were some complaints about their using "Sam" too to confuse people into thinking that they paid "SAM" to make sure that the information was correct. Because obviously this wasn't checked by anyone.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why would you get information like that from someone not in IT?
SW not IT
Of course it isn't IT. Why would you associate the two? They've never claimed to be anything of the sort.
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Spiceworks has always been completely open and honest about being a marketing company and nothing else. They are ad people, and very good at it. They are run by marketing people, their hire all marketing people. They only have just enough IT staff to support the hundreds of marketing and sales people that they have. There is no secret there. No different than any other marketing firm.
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oh, now i see, really i was ignorant, i trusted SW
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The badges should only be done for laughs. You gain nothing from having them. Sure you might ween some information out of their "University" that you hadn't known before. But take it with a huge grain of salt.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
oh, now i see, really i was ignorant, i trusted SW
Trusting them as marketers is fine. Trusting them to be IT pros when they don't claim to be isn't exactly trust. They don't claim to be technical or understand any of this stuff. Why they have that badge, I have no idea, but their badges are just silly stuff, like getting your picture with a badger or whatever. It's not something serious for IT pros, it's silly stuff for people on social media. Nothing wrong with it, but Spiceworks is just like Facebook, it's just a social media platform. The value is the people in the community, not the people collecting money for the ads displayed there.
Same as MangoLassi. You get IT advice from the people participating on the platform, never from MangoLassi or GroveSocial themselves. They are marketing people who run the social media. Now if you want to learn about social media, then MangoLassi, GroveSocial or Spiceworks are the people to talk to. But if you want IT help, you go to IT companies or professionals.
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@scottalanmiller
Assuming @IT-ADMIN's severs are installed bare metal, what backup software should he consider looking at? That's automated?If someone posted a suggestion, I must have missed it.
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@DustinB3403 said:
The badges should only be done for laughs. You gain nothing from having them. Sure you might ween some information out of their "University" that you hadn't known before. But take it with a huge grain of salt.
Oh, no, you would avoid their university. They don't have any IT oversight on that stuff. Unless it is classes about Spiceworks, you should not be looking at that material as it is not peer reviewed, like public posts are. So there isn't even the value that you get from free forums!
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller
Assuming @IT-ADMIN's severs are installed bare metal, what backup software should he consider looking at? That's automated?If someone posted a suggestion, I must have missed it.
@Reid-Cooper mentioned CrashPlan way up near the top.
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Yes, I was thinking that CrashPlan is free and can backup to DAS or NAS, whatever is needed. More powerful and flexible than the built in Windows backup option and since it is free, no downsides.
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Probably lots of different, free backup options for a small situation like this. But without virtualization you lose most of them. I know Crashplan comes up on the communities a lot and I have used it a little. As long as you are not using their Cloud Backup option, everything is free with them. You can backup to other workstation nodes too.
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So let's start over, are these facts correct:
- DAS, NAS and SAN are the same price. We need to get the right storage for the need and not talk prices or let pricing assumptions drive us to one solution or another.
- A small RAID 1 unit will be large enough not only for one server but for all of the servers? Can easily get to 6TB of usable capacity. The one server is just 500GB. But you need overhead for versioning.
- Windows Backup does not properly support NAS (file), so would need DAS/SAN (block.)
- Other free backup options like Crashplan will properly support NAS (file) so that we can use one device for all of the servers.
- Keeping the cost down is really important.
- Block storage is unnecessarily exposed to ransomware.
That should be the roundup of needs before arriving at a decision.
