Network Administrator I- Discussion



  • I think that this thread is actually incredibly valuable because it takes information that may or may not exist and may or may not have been seen in other places and instead of being talked about in a vacuum applies it to a specific job posting. Instead of having "searchable material" that the people involved unlikely would be able to find that would be covered in a "how to" style, this is direct feedback about a specific posting.

    Even if there is material out there on good ways to do many things, people still need feedback on actual implementations. You can read tons of books about system design or how to hire. But reading that stuff is not the same as getting feedback on an actual system design or actual job posting or process or whatever.

    This is a thread that @irj can actually take back to the appropriate people and say "here is the response that we got where people could provide feedback" rather than going back and either ignoring a potential mismatch in outcome to desired outcome or telling the people involved that they need to go search for educational material and study up before doing it again.



  • you think that because you got your words out of your finger tips. someone was looking for something specific, and you made it your own, as you do far too often (in my selfish opinion) on this board. but whatever floats your island.



  • @Hubtech said:

    you think that because you got your words out of your finger tips. someone was looking for something specific, and you made it your own, as you do far too often (in my selfish opinion) on this board. but whatever floats your island.

    So what do you propose? At least I was on topic and responding to the OP and discussions around the OP - and organic conversation growing from that. Are you saying that only people with opinions you want to hear should provide feedback? That there should not be open discussion on an open discussion forum?

    What's the alternative that you suggest? Is it simply that my feedback is not appreciated? I get a very strong sense of that, repeatedly, but what I don't understand is what the expectation of an open discussion is when open discussion is so strongly not appreciated.



  • If you feel that there is important alternative viewpoints, rather than belittling people for participating, why not provide those viewpoints. If you don't feel that there is a valuable alternative viewpoint, why do you feel that it is bad that the one that is provided is provided?



  • @Guest said:

    scott and dash, what are you guys shitting all over this thread?

    This thread.. Or every thread? Anyway apparently Hubtech deleted his account and now it shows at Guest?



  • @thecreativeone91 said:

    @Guest said:

    scott and dash, what are you guys shitting all over this thread?

    This thread.. Or every thread? Anyway apparently Hubtech deleted his account and now it shows at Guest?

    Yes, he apparently has left.



  • Sorry if I end up with more questions each time there is a discussion and it pushes the topic away from the OP. But it's the reality of a discussion.

    But perhaps the point of this post wasn't a discussion, but only wanting to post a job thread.

    That said, Scott's right, HR could learn a lot from the feedback in the thread in regards to what kind of people read these postings on these types of boards and what they may or may not bother responding to.



  • All, because it is the job postings board. It is not in a discussion forum.
    Keep your opinions out of the post.

    @scottalanmiller I have no personal skin in this. I stayed out of this until it got so bad the OP contemplated deleting the thread. I only chimed in because at that point you all continued to spew forth unrelated information to the OP's job posting.





  • This topic has been moved to IT Careers. This is a more appropriate space for this discussion.



  • That's more appropriate for the discussion that followed, but not really appropriate for the OP.



  • Oh I agree that for the OP it's not the best place. But for the discussion that follwed it is.



  • Can we change the title to "Network Administrator 1 - Discussion" and have @IRJ repost the OP in the appropriate section?



  • @coliver said:

    Can we change the title to "Network Administrator 1 - Discussion" and have @IRJ reports the OP in the appropriate section?

    I like that idea!



  • Done.



  • It reads like they want the sun, moon and starts and are willing to pay peanuts 😞



  • They want the starts for sure. 😉



  • @scottalanmiller (!^&!^(#&^%!(*%@)

    curse of the last name heh



  • @MattSpeller said:

    It reads like they want the sun, moon and starts and are willing to pay peanuts 😞

    The pay is actually really high for the area. I challenge you to search the Orlando area for jobs. If you spent 20 minutes or so looking on career builder for a similar position, I doubt you would find one in the same pay range. Most would be quite a bit less



  • @IRJ oh, I'm sure it's probably quite good! Just commenting on how it was written



  • @IRJ said:

    @MattSpeller said:

    It reads like they want the sun, moon and starts and are willing to pay peanuts 😞

    The pay is actually really high for the area. I challenge you to search the Orlando area for jobs. If you spent 20 minutes or so looking on career builder for a similar position, I doubt you would find one in the same pay range. Most would be quite a bit less

    I've actually been offered way more in Orlando 🙂 But... Orlando. LOL

    But you are right, Orlando is a terrible market and that pay range seems quite reasonable.



  • At least Orlando is a very low cost of living and no state income tax. At least I think the cost of living is low. That's what I have heard.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    I've actually been offered way more in Orlando 🙂

    We don't wanna hear about your indecent proposal at Disney.

    A gang bang with Minnie and Pluto? Shame on you!



  • @IRJ said:

    @MattSpeller said:

    It reads like they want the sun, moon and starts and are willing to pay peanuts 😞

    The pay is actually really high for the area. I challenge you to search the Orlando area for jobs. If you spent 20 minutes or so looking on career builder for a similar position, I doubt you would find one in the same pay range. Most would be quite a bit less

    It's much higher than this area. I used to get offered System Administrator roles for under $30k all the time, when my last job was over $10k more. Now that I'm actually looking for a job those don't even come up lol.



  • I am seeing in the market take a dive for pay rates in the more rural areas these days. There is an MSP in Rochester that is paying their Engineering people $15/hour. Their helpdesk get $9/hour. They also only charge customers around $75/hour though so what can you expect?



  • Well, I know a few of the places I interviewed for have outsource those jobs overseas instead of hiring. It seems to be a trend. Most of them were Linux Admins, System Admins or network Admins. Apparently they can hire firms over there to do it much cheaper and then just pay an inexperienced techs $9 for desktops/hardware stuff. Seems dumb, especially at the thousands of employees level.



  • @thecreativeone91 said:

    Well, I know a few of the places I interviewed for have outsource those jobs overseas instead of hiring. It seems to be a trend. Most of them were Linux Admins, System Admins or network Admins. Apparently they can hire firms over there to do it much cheaper and then just pay an inexperienced techs $9 for desktops/hardware stuff. Seems dumb, especially at the thousands of employees level.

    That's the standard offshoring model. Companies have been doing it for forever. SMB customers have a tendency to not care about quality, only price, so offshoring makes you almost unbeatable.

    I was offshore support for Europe for much of my career.



  • Seems like it was predicted already that many of the IT jobs will be offshored by 2016 http://www.informationweek.com/it-strategy/270000-more-it-jobs-headed-offshore/d/d-id/1103494



  • @thecreativeone91 said:

    Seems like it was predicted already that many of the IT jobs will be offshored by 2016 http://www.informationweek.com/it-strategy/270000-more-it-jobs-headed-offshore/d/d-id/1103494

    That's been predicted continuously since the 1990s. It never ends. The reality is is that it is an ebb and flow. Companies see lower prices and go overseas. Then they get low quality work or legal issues and come back to the expensive countries.

    There are places that are logical to have a lot of IT work and the US is generally not one of them. Doing work in the US where prices are high is not super sensible, but it is better than say the UK or Norway where prices are even higher. You can get really good work from, say, Spain for far less money - often for people with better training. But going to someplace like India leaves you with little control and major legal hassles that diminish the value.

    There is no major outpouring of IT jobs. The top reason that IT jobs leave the States is because the US lacks the number of people able to or willing to do the jobs. Hiring IT in the US is generally hard as there is a lack of people willing to do the jobs in the places where the jobs need to be done. And once you are forced to hire remote workers, why would you hire people in expensive, but equally remote, locations?



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    At least Orlando is a very low cost of living and no state income tax. At least I think the cost of living is low. That's what I have heard.

    Depends on what part of Orlando like anything else. Orlando is actually quite expensive compared to where I live. Within the city of Orlando, the cost is higher than where I live. Even though the area I live in is much nicer and less crowded. I live in Merritt Island.

    Yellow - highest cost of living
    Purple - in the middle
    Orange - cheapest cost of living

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