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Scott’s random believes the side the real question is whether or not Catalonia is actually the nation it was conquered. By force or not tough shit that’s history it was conquered it was Spain is not an independent nation.
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@jaredbusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
Scott’s random believes the side the real question is whether or not Catalonia is actually the nation it was conquered. By force or not tough shit that’s history it was conquered it was Spain is not an independent nation.
I don't follow Siri.
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@jaredbusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
Scott’s random believes the side the real question is whether or not Catalonia is actually the nation it was conquered.
Even Spain has long recognized Catalonia as a nation, as has the EU. This isn't Scott's belief, this is standard everywhere. Just like Seneca or Quebec. That's why QC is the National Capital of Quebec, for example. And Salamanca is the National Capital of the Seneca Nation.
A nation is a thing, it can't be defined by someone conquering it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@jaredbusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
Scott’s random believes the side the real question is whether or not Catalonia is actually the nation it was conquered.
Even Spain has long recognized Catalonia as a nation, as has the EU. This isn't Scott's belief, this is standard everywhere. Just like Seneca or Quebec. That's why QC is the National Capital of Quebec, for example. And Salamanca is the National Capital of the Seneca Nation.
A nation is a thing, it can't be defined by someone conquering it.
The whole idea of a nation that doesn't have sovereignty is awkward to me. How can the EU recognize a nation that exists solely within the boundaries of a country that is a member. I would expect that that nation would have to have an actual seat at the table in the EU to have any real standing.
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
The whole idea of a nation that doesn't have sovereignty is awkward to me.
Shouldn't be, nations and sovereignty are totally different things. You should be questioning why you associate the two. Clearly they can overlap, but nothing causes them to do so. It's not common to do so, in fact.
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
How can the EU recognize a nation that exists solely within the boundaries of a country that is a member.
Same way that the US does.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
How can the EU recognize a nation that exists solely within the boundaries of a country that is a member.
Same way that the US does.
example?
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
How can the EU recognize a nation that exists solely within the boundaries of a country that is a member.
Same way that the US does.
example?
Native American's, right?
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
How can the EU recognize a nation that exists solely within the boundaries of a country that is a member.
Same way that the US does.
example?
Native American's, right?
What do you think would happen if they just declared themselves sovereign and not part of the US anymore?
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
How can the EU recognize a nation that exists solely within the boundaries of a country that is a member.
Same way that the US does.
example?
Native American's, right?
That's one. And Puerto Rico. And don't forget Quebec.
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
How can the EU recognize a nation that exists solely within the boundaries of a country that is a member.
Same way that the US does.
example?
Native American's, right?
What do you think would happen if they just declared themselves sovereign and not part of the US anymore?
If you think this comparison applies, you are confused.
It's what if the Creek Nation declared itself not a part of Oklahoma, but wanted to stay in the US. That's the example. How do you think the US would react?
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In case you are wondering, the UN recognizes Puerto Rico as a nation.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
In case you are wondering, the UN recognizes Puerto Rico as a nation.
what does that gain them?
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
In case you are wondering, the UN recognizes Puerto Rico as a nation.
what does that gain them?
World recognition as a nation. What does any recognition gain you? The point is that you have a different feeling as to what a nation is than the word means or as used by the UN. Catalonia is a nation, Spain is not. Spain is a group of nations. Basque Country, Galacia, and Catalonia are three very distinct nations inside of Spain with three very distinct cultures, food, language, ethnic background, etc.
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So you're saying these large governing bodies, The EU, The UN, The USA recognize these nations - ok so? what does recognition give them? some type of protection? a seat at the negotiation table?
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
So you're saying these large governing bodies, The EU, The UN, The USA recognize these nations - ok so? what does recognition give them? some type of protection? a seat at the negotiation table?
You were talking about thing, now you are asking about something else. I'm not sure where you are trying to take the discussion. The point was that Catalonia is a universally recognized nation.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
So you're saying these large governing bodies, The EU, The UN, The USA recognize these nations - ok so? what does recognition give them? some type of protection? a seat at the negotiation table?
You were talking about thing, now you are asking about something else. I'm not sure where you are trying to take the discussion. The point was that Catalonia is a universally recognized nation.
My ignorance of the situation, and complete inability to correctly articulate my questions are leading you in ways that are not intended.
What good does being recognized do you if those other larger organizations are unwilling to set in to aid you - and what determines when that aid is valid, especially militarily?
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
What good does being recognized do you if those other larger organizations are unwilling to set in to aid you - and what determines when that aid is valid, especially militarily?
It doesn't do any good. The issue is that nations are rarely protected. But there is still a duty to them. A non-sovereign nation is normally a nation held subject to someone by force of military. One of the questions earlier was about them not being a nation because they were conquered, but they are just as much as nation whether they are sovereign or not.
