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What do you think the hang up is?
The environmental lobbyists?
The cool/natural gas lobbyists?I can't imagine it's financial...
It's all financial. The cost of a nuclear plant is astronomical compared to the cost of a coal or natural gas plant. Then you have the propaganda effect of recent reactor meltdowns and the many smear campaigns against nuclear (often funding can be traced back to Nat Gas and Coal organizations). Most, sane, environmentalists know the benefits of nuclear the big question they have is what do we do with the waste, if we can show that a modern design has almost no waste the buy in would be amazing.
Coal is dead, it won't come back. The cost of natural gas is cheap enough now to offset how inexpensive coal is. By the time the cost of nat gas goes up we will have significantly invested in wind, solar, hydro, and geo-thermal.
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@art_of_shred I think the point is completely lost in there. Electric vehicles are the future and they will be much better for the environment. While today's technology may not be perfect that is how we humans progress - one step at a time. It sounds like you are arguing that we shouldn't bother and just continue our destructive ways. That is not progressing anything.
Plus they are WAY quicker than a gas car!
OMG, a Tesla when the pedal gets pushed all the way down is like going over the big hill on a rollercoaster. Literally experienced that exact sensation riding in one in California in 2013 when I visited Pertino with @scottalanmiller and @Nick42
Nothing a gas powered car can't do, but not likely as efficiently as an electric.
Nope. No gas powered car in the world can match 100% torque and stay in the band throughout the run. Nothing.
No electric car can replace the rumble and snarl of a supercharged V8. They may be faster but they are certainly less fun.
That is simply because your perception of a muscle car is the rumble and and snarl. That is your perception simply because that is what existed to give you that experience.
Future generations will not share that experience and thus that sense of what a muscle car should entail.
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@art_of_shred I think the point is completely lost in there. Electric vehicles are the future and they will be much better for the environment. While today's technology may not be perfect that is how we humans progress - one step at a time. It sounds like you are arguing that we shouldn't bother and just continue our destructive ways. That is not progressing anything.
Plus they are WAY quicker than a gas car!
OMG, a Tesla when the pedal gets pushed all the way down is like going over the big hill on a rollercoaster. Literally experienced that exact sensation riding in one in California in 2013 when I visited Pertino with @scottalanmiller and @Nick42
Nothing a gas powered car can't do, but not likely as efficiently as an electric.
Nope. No gas powered car in the world can match 100% torque and stay in the band throughout the run. Nothing.
No electric car can replace the rumble and snarl of a supercharged V8. They may be faster but they are certainly less fun.
That is simply because your perception of a muscle car is the rumble and and snarl. That is your perception simply because that is what existed to give you that experience.
Future generations will not share that experience and thus that sense of what a muscle car should entail.
Correct and they will be missing out.
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@JaredBusch Consider for a moment why people love to work on leaky old push rod v8's with carbs. I assure you it's not because they run sub 10sec 1/4 miles. Nor is it the gasoline that will inevitably run down your armpits and splash in your eyes.
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What do you think the hang up is?
The environmental lobbyists?
The cool/natural gas lobbyists?I can't imagine it's financial...
It's all financial. The cost of a nuclear plant is astronomical compared to the cost of a coal or natural gas plant. Then you have the propaganda effect of recent reactor meltdowns and the many smear campaigns against nuclear (often funding can be traced back to Nat Gas and Coal organizations). Most, sane, environmentalists know the benefits of nuclear the big question they have is what do we do with the waste, if we can show that a modern design has almost no waste the buy in would be amazing.
Safe nuclear is not new. The military has been using it for years. It is the stupid human factor that is blocking it. Nuclear costs would be significantly lower without a bunch of the BS overhead due to propaganda.
You want to learn a little from a comic? Try this, http://xkcd.com/radiation. It was published not long after Fukushima in 2011.
Yeah Fukushima had other issues with causes related to the owners and politicians. But facts are facts when it comes to radiation numbers.
Coal is dead, it won't come back. The cost of natural gas is cheap enough now to offset how inexpensive coal is. By the time the cost of nat gas goes up we will have significantly invested in wind, solar, hydro, and geo-thermal.
I have no idea on these numbers, but I believe you from what little I do know.
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@travisdh1 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
First you have to prove to me that humans are the cause of climate change, and define what is a normal climate. After all, the planet has spent more time in ice ages than our current mild climate. Listening to peoples arguments, they all make me think they'd rather freeze to death.
WTF did I just read?
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@JaredBusch I should have said the cost and convenience of natural gas is killing coal. Nat gas isn't cheaper then coal, although it is close, but the costs to frack, transport, and burn nat gas more then makes up for it.
I'm by no means promoting nat gas. I'm glad that NYS put a moratorium on fracking it and that the proposed pipelines going through our state are running into roadblock after roadblock.
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@JaredBusch Consider for a moment why people love to work on leaky old push rod v8's with carbs. I assure you it's not because they run sub 10sec 1/4 miles. Nor is it the gasoline that will inevitably run down your armpits and splash in your eyes.
And that reason would be?
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@JaredBusch Consider for a moment why people love to work on leaky old push rod v8's with carbs. I assure you it's not because they run sub 10sec 1/4 miles. Nor is it the gasoline that will inevitably run down your armpits and splash in your eyes.
And that reason would be?
People love to tinker? Nostalgia?
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@JaredBusch Consider for a moment why people love to work on leaky old push rod v8's with carbs. I assure you it's not because they run sub 10sec 1/4 miles. Nor is it the gasoline that will inevitably run down your armpits and splash in your eyes.
And that reason would be?
"Don't everybody like the smell of gasoline?"
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@JaredBusch Consider for a moment why people love to work on leaky old push rod v8's with carbs. I assure you it's not because they run sub 10sec 1/4 miles. Nor is it the gasoline that will inevitably run down your armpits and splash in your eyes.
And that reason would be?
People love to tinker? Nostalgia?
LOL - you can still tinker, you'll just likely be left with an unusable pile of parts
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@JaredBusch Consider for a moment why people love to work on leaky old push rod v8's with carbs. I assure you it's not because they run sub 10sec 1/4 miles. Nor is it the gasoline that will inevitably run down your armpits and splash in your eyes.
And that reason would be?
People love to tinker? Nostalgia?
LOL - you can still tinker, you'll just likely be left with an unusable pile of parts
Eh as much as I like to work on my car there are dozens of other things I would rather tinker with.
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@JaredBusch Consider for a moment why people love to work on leaky old push rod v8's with carbs. I assure you it's not because they run sub 10sec 1/4 miles. Nor is it the gasoline that will inevitably run down your armpits and splash in your eyes.
And that reason would be?
People love to tinker? Nostalgia?
LOL - you can still tinker, you'll just likely be left with an unusable pile of parts
Eh as much as I like to work on my car there are dozens of other things I would rather tinker with.
Agreed - the specialized computers in cars aren't my thing - I'll leave that to the pros - plus, why work in the non temp controlled garage when I can work in my temp controlled house
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@Dashrender basic carb'd engines are some of the last that a single person of average intelligence / interest can disassemble / reassemble without much difficulty. EFI is beginning to go that route (self-learning EFI is epic) but it's only just the tip of the iceberg.
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Amusingly I see electric cars going this route much sooner than anyone would anticipate. They are very basic at the core and ultimately you'd need to buy the battery packs, controller & motors. That day will be here soon.
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One business I'd very much like to start is electric vehicle conversions - replacing petrol engines with a mother big electric motor connected directly to the transmission. I think they'd be hilariously fun but definitely a different animal.
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@MattSpeller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
One business I'd very much like to start is electric vehicle conversions - replacing petrol engines with a mother big electric motor connected directly to the transmission. I think they'd be hilariously fun but definitely a different animal.
Nikola Motor Company The thing only has 2000 ft lbs of torque, kinda on the low end for electric motors. 30 seconds doesn't sound like a lot, but that's insanity for an 80,000 lb vechicle.
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@MattSpeller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
One business I'd very much like to start is electric vehicle conversions - replacing petrol engines with a mother big electric motor connected directly to the transmission. I think they'd be hilariously fun but definitely a different animal.
I have no idea how well that would work. The torque is available at different time, the power, etc. You'd need a computer to manage the electric motor so you don't blow the tranny -
Yeah I guess why not.
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One business I'd very much like to start is electric vehicle conversions - replacing petrol engines with a mother big electric motor connected directly to the transmission. I think they'd be hilariously fun but definitely a different animal.
I have no idea how well that would work. The torque is available at different time, the power, etc. You'd need a computer to manage the electric motor so you don't blow the tranny -
Yeah I guess why not.
You'd need a whole management system that talked to the trans to set shift points and a million other things! Not to mention the actual hardest part which is getting a power source for the bastarding thing.
